Can Anyone Show Me One Or More Parts of The Ordinary Of The Novus Ordo Missal That Is Contrary To Catholicism ?

[Atomagenesis]

How did he call Pius XII a Protestant? That is an extreme stretch.

[DrBombay]

How did he call Pius XII a Protestant? That is an extreme stretch.

...the fact that pre-NO, Catholic priests all over the world faced God when they worship Him in the Holy Sacrifice while only prots faced the people might be worth something.

"Only prots faced the people."  Oh, and the pope too...yeah.

You're welcome.   

[Stubborn]

The prayers at the foot of the altar are not a part of the Mass.  They are preparatory prayers.  The Mass begins with the Introit and ends with the "Ite Missa est."  The Last Gospel is also not a part of the Mass, nor is the sermon.

http://www.sanctamissa.org/en/rubrics/ Go to Ch. 3

If the prayers at the foot of the altar are omitted at your NO, it is because they were removed - along with the altar.

Enough said.

I didn't realize this was even an issue of controversy.  The prayers at the foot of the altar are not part of the Mass.  Posting a page from your hand missal (a Modernist invention BTW) doesn't really prove anything I'm afraid. 

The link I posted (http://www.sanctamissa.org/en/rubrics/ Go to Ch. 3) is from the Missale Romanum 1962 version. (Missale Romanum - that is the Missal on every altar in the world before V2) Every Mass I ever served over some +20 years began with the prayers at the foot of the altar unless it was a requiem mass or special feast day etc. That is what happens at the TLM for the last +500 years until the NO did away with those and other prayers.

You do not have any idea what you are talking about - that much is obvious. Abandon your NO from here on out and only assist at the TLM to get your head screwed back on straight.

And if every Church all over the world was St. Peter's Basilica, and if the pope celebrated every mass at every Church all over the world, then your point would make sense, as it is, the point you are trying to make in a feeble attempt to derail the fact that pre-NO, Catholic priests all over the world faced God when they worship Him in the Holy Sacrifice while only prots faced the people might be worth something.

The question and title of this thread was asked, answered and proven beyond question - amazing how you've missed the obvious for so long hey? That's only one thing, there are others but ya gotta do like I said - compare the NOM to that which it replaced........and be honest with yourself of it'll be a colossal waste of time.

ETA Missale Romanum is the Missal on every altar in the world before V2

Hey!  Hey?  Hey. 

Golly, it seems you're really not grasping what I'm saying, Champ.  You see, it doesn't matter what happened when you were serving Mass when you were 8 years old.  What matters is the structure of the rite.  The prayers at the foot of the altar are not part of the Mass.  They are considered preparatory prayers.  Nor is the Last Gospel or the sermon a part of the Mass.  (My, that sounds awfully familiar.) 

The structure of the rite includes, as the Missale Romanum shows and the Catholic Dictionary defined for you, the prayers at the foot of the altar. Here, you must have missed this before............... The fixed or Ordinary part of the Mass consists of   Confession at the foot of the altar which is always the same, except at Passiontide and at Requiems, when Psalm 42 is omitted.
Now try hard as you possibly can to grasp what is bolded above and if you are able to do that, this particular truth will be settled. 

As for your contention that "only prots faced the people"...well, what can one say to that impeccable logic, the result, no doubt, of your exhaustive liturgical scholarship and intense theological training.  Pius XII might object to being called a prot, in fact he would probably whack you upside your skull with a Missale Romanum, altar edition.  But I must admit calling the Vicar of Christ a prot shows...something.  I'll leave it to the gentle reader to determine what exactly hey?   

Hey.   

Is that the best you can do? Colonel Crittenden should be able to do better than that.

What you wrote above is a complete waste of space, does not reflect in the slightest the point I made and sounds like a case of popolotry going on with you.

[DrBombay]

The prayers at the foot of the altar are not a part of the Mass.  They are preparatory prayers.  The Mass begins with the Introit and ends with the "Ite Missa est."  The Last Gospel is also not a part of the Mass, nor is the sermon.

http://www.sanctamissa.org/en/rubrics/ Go to Ch. 3

If the prayers at the foot of the altar are omitted at your NO, it is because they were removed - along with the altar.

Enough said.

I didn't realize this was even an issue of controversy.  The prayers at the foot of the altar are not part of the Mass.  Posting a page from your hand missal (a Modernist invention BTW) doesn't really prove anything I'm afraid. 

The link I posted (http://www.sanctamissa.org/en/rubrics/ Go to Ch. 3) is from the Missale Romanum 1962 version. (Missale Romanum - that is the Missal on every altar in the world before V2) Every Mass I ever served over some +20 years began with the prayers at the foot of the altar unless it was a requiem mass or special feast day etc. That is what happens at the TLM for the last +500 years until the NO did away with those and other prayers.

You do not have any idea what you are talking about - that much is obvious. Abandon your NO from here on out and only assist at the TLM to get your head screwed back on straight.

And if every Church all over the world was St. Peter's Basilica, and if the pope celebrated every mass at every Church all over the world, then your point would make sense, as it is, the point you are trying to make in a feeble attempt to derail the fact that pre-NO, Catholic priests all over the world faced God when they worship Him in the Holy Sacrifice while only prots faced the people might be worth something.

The question and title of this thread was asked, answered and proven beyond question - amazing how you've missed the obvious for so long hey? That's only one thing, there are others but ya gotta do like I said - compare the NOM to that which it replaced........and be honest with yourself of it'll be a colossal waste of time.

ETA Missale Romanum is the Missal on every altar in the world before V2

Hey!  Hey?  Hey. 

Golly, it seems you're really not grasping what I'm saying, Champ.  You see, it doesn't matter what happened when you were serving Mass when you were 8 years old.  What matters is the structure of the rite.  The prayers at the foot of the altar are not part of the Mass.  They are considered preparatory prayers.  Nor is the Last Gospel or the sermon a part of the Mass.  (My, that sounds awfully familiar.) 

The structure of the rite includes, as the Missale Romanum shows and the Catholic Dictionary defined for you, the prayers at the foot of the altar. Here, you must have missed this before............... The fixed or Ordinary part of the Mass consists of   Confession at the foot of the altar which is always the same, except at Passiontide and at Requiems, when Psalm 42 is omitted.
Now try hard as you possibly can to grasp what is bolded above and if you are able to do that, this particular truth will be settled. 

As for your contention that "only prots faced the people"...well, what can one say to that impeccable logic, the result, no doubt, of your exhaustive liturgical scholarship and intense theological training.  Pius XII might object to being called a prot, in fact he would probably whack you upside your skull with a Missale Romanum, altar edition.  But I must admit calling the Vicar of Christ a prot shows...something.  I'll leave it to the gentle reader to determine what exactly hey?   

Hey.   

Is that the best you can do? Colonel Crittenden should be able to do better than that.

What you wrote above is a complete waste of space, does not reflect in the slightest the point I made and sounds like a case of popolotry going on with you.

Yes, you seem incapable of answering my points. 

Victory is mine.  Better luck next time.   

[DrBombay]

The structure of the rite includes, as the Missale Romanum shows and the Catholic Dictionary defined for you, the prayers at the foot of the altar. Here, you must have missed this before............... The fixed or Ordinary part of the Mass consists of   Confession at the foot of the altar which is always the same, except at Passiontide and at Requiems, when Psalm 42 is omitted.
Now try hard as you possibly can to grasp what is bolded above and if you are able to do that, this particular truth will be settled. 

Oops, sorry.  Missed it.  Here ya go...

The recital of the Introit should be considered as the real beginning of Mass, since what has gone before is rather of the nature of the celebrant's preparation.

from....
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08081a.htm

You're welcome too.   

[Stubborn]

Yes, you seem incapable of answering my points. 

Victory is mine.  Better luck next time.   

What points?

That the Basilica in Rome's altar is not against a wall? Yep, you win.

Now all you need to do is stop attending the NOM and start assisting and the TLM, then live the life of a trad - you'll come around in time - just remember to try hard as you can to be honest all the time. And avoid Colonel Crittenden, he's a bad influence. 

[JayneK]

In the case of dogs, we have to have an idea about what is essential to being a dog to determine what is a dog.  We do not compare dog A to dog B.  In the case of the Catholic Mass, we have to understand what is essential to being a Catholic Mass to determine what is a Catholic Mass.  We do not compare Mass A to Mass B.

Do yourself a favor and admit the Bride of Christ was replaced.

Then, do what reasonable people who sincerely seek the truth do - compare the NO to that which it replaced - I do not know why  you find that such an impossible task and I know better than to even ask why you find that such an impossible task - I can only guess you think there is no value in it.

I have compared the NO to the TLM.  I have concluded that the NO does not express Catholic doctrine as well as the TLM does. I further concluded that I would attend the TLM rather than the NO when possible.  I have not concluded that the NO is not a Catholic Mass.  It is not possible to show that the NO is not a Catholic Mass by comparing it to the TLM.  To do that, we have to compare the NO to the essential Catholic Mass.

[Stubborn]

The structure of the rite includes, as the Missale Romanum shows and the Catholic Dictionary defined for you, the prayers at the foot of the altar. Here, you must have missed this before............... The fixed or Ordinary part of the Mass consists of   Confession at the foot of the altar which is always the same, except at Passiontide and at Requiems, when Psalm 42 is omitted.
Now try hard as you possibly can to grasp what is bolded above and if you are able to do that, this particular truth will be settled. 

Oops, sorry.  Missed it.  Here ya go...

The recital of the Introit should be considered as the real beginning of Mass, since what has gone before is rather of the nature of the celebrant's preparation.

from....
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08081a.htm

You're welcome too.   

CC already posted that - somehow it disagrees with the Missale Romanum  - as well as....................... The fixed or Ordinary part of the Mass consists of   Confession at the foot of the altar which is always the same, except at Passiontide and at Requiems, when Psalm 42 is omitted.

[Stubborn]

I have compared the NO to the TLM.  I have concluded that the NO does not express Catholic doctrine as well as the TLM does. I further concluded that I would attend the TLM rather than the NO when possible.  I have not concluded that the NO is not a Catholic Mass.  It is not possible to show that the NO is not a Catholic Mass by comparing it to the TLM.  To do that, we have to compare the NO to the essential Catholic Mass.

The essential Catholic Mass? Forget that - whatever it is.

If you do not compare the NOM to that which it replaced, you'll end up believing that a Baptist service can be interpreted as Catholic because they say the same Our Father. That's not as far a stretch as it may sound.

Aside from a vastly superior wisdom and 6000 years in planning, the enemies who are ultimately responsible for infiltrating, implementing and basically outright fooling nearly the entire Catholic world were diabolically brilliant. Which is why it is necessary to focus strictly on that which was lost and replaced - because *that* is where the safeguards to the faith were maintained before their seeming willful surrender.

There is no way the devil wants people to look into that which was replaced - he is plenty content with people sticking up for his creation, while blinding themselves, making every manner of excuse as to why the NOM is acceptable regardless of 50 years testifying to the contrary.

[Dellery]

In the case of dogs, we have to have an idea about what is essential to being a dog to determine what is a dog.  We do not compare dog A to dog B.  In the case of the Catholic Mass, we have to understand what is essential to being a Catholic Mass to determine what is a Catholic Mass.  We do not compare Mass A to Mass B.

Do yourself a favor and admit the Bride of Christ was replaced.

Then, do what reasonable people who sincerely seek the truth do - compare the NO to that which it replaced - I do not know why  you find that such an impossible task and I know better than to even ask why you find that such an impossible task - I can only guess you think there is no value in it.

I have compared the NO to the TLM.  I have concluded that the NO does not express Catholic doctrine as well as the TLM does. I further concluded that I would attend the TLM rather than the NO when possible.  I have not concluded that the NO is not a Catholic Mass.  It is not possible to show that the NO is not a Catholic Mass by comparing it to the TLM.  To do that, we have to compare the NO to the essential Catholic Mass.

There is no need to compare the two, the NO solemnly prays for heresy every year, what more do you need?