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« Reply #320 on: May 02, 2012, 06:35:AM » |
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You're comparing the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to it's mockery, the NOM.
For all its problems, the NO is nevertheless the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Would you say that is a fact 100% of the time? 30% of the time or somewhere in between or ? . . . . . . . . . .remember that The Ottaviani Intervention was critiquing the Latin ad orientam NOM, which is said what, maybe 1 out of every 1000000000 of all NOMs said? |
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But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth. -Apocalypse 3:16
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« Reply #321 on: May 02, 2012, 06:56:AM » |
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You're comparing the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to it's mockery, the NOM.
For all its problems, the NO is nevertheless the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Would you say that is a fact 100% of the time? 30% of the time or somewhere in between or ? . . . . . . . . . .remember that The Ottaviani Intervention was critiquing the Latin ad orientam NOM, which is said what, maybe 1 out of every 1000000000 of all NOMs said? While I have seen illicit Masses and abuses, I do not recall ever seeing a Novus Ordo Mass that was invalid. So, in my experience in over 30 years as a Catholic, 100% of NO Masses have been the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. |
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« Reply #322 on: May 02, 2012, 07:08:AM » |
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You're comparing the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to it's mockery, the NOM.
If you believe it pleasing to God then by all means, prove it is no mockery of the Mass of all time.
FYI, (Elephant in the room) the Church has been infiltrated with Her enemies, the thing you claim valid and approved comes from them.
Prove it? The fact that the Vicar of Christ says it every day is all the proof a true Catholic needs. I will point out again that declaring an approved Rite of the Church invalid and a mockery is really beyond your authority and certainly your competence. Get an education (start with a logic class) then come back and you might be on your way to beginning to approach the inklings of an understanding of the genesis of this problem. When the Church declares it invalid, although it is more likely to be simply suppressed, then it is invalid. Until then, your interweb ravings aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Q.E.D. |
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« Reply #323 on: May 02, 2012, 07:15:AM » |
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Prove it? The fact that the Vicar of Christ says it every day is all the proof a true Catholic needs. I will point out again that declaring an approved Rite of the Church invalid and a mockery is really beyond your authority and certainly your competence. Get an education (start with a logic class) then come back and you might be on your way to beginning to approach the inklings of an understanding of the genesis of this problem.
When the Church declares it invalid, although it is more likely to be simply suppressed, then it is invalid. Until then, your interweb ravings aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Q.E.D.
Ahh, the old popolotry for proof hey? Thats the same lame excuse NOers everywhere use who have no idea what they're talking about. That's the same exact thing that got us into this crisis - will you ever figure that out? |
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« Reply #324 on: May 02, 2012, 01:06:PM » |
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Ahh, the old popolotry for proof hey? Thats the same lame excuse NOers everywhere use who have no idea what they're talking about.
That's the same exact thing that got us into this crisis - will you ever figure that out?
Unlikely, the popes also fornicated, sodomised, murdered and bribed over the centuries, I guess thats proof enough for any good catholic that these things are acceptable?  John XXII denied the beatific vision, its a shame that he was told off by a dominican and then contradicted de fide by his successors, this kind of childish and intellectually sloppy legal positivism is at the root of the crisis. So and So says X is law/acceptable therefore X is law/acceptable, except of course something is not ipso facto law/acceptable because so and so says it, the nature of the thing/law must be examined and if is actually not law/acceptable so and so can say its law/acceptable till the cows come home but it still won't be law/acceptable |
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« Reply #325 on: May 02, 2012, 02:28:PM » |
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Prove it? The fact that the Vicar of Christ says it every day is all the proof a true Catholic needs. I will point out again that declaring an approved Rite of the Church invalid and a mockery is really beyond your authority and certainly your competence. Get an education (start with a logic class) then come back and you might be on your way to beginning to approach the inklings of an understanding of the genesis of this problem.
When the Church declares it invalid, although it is more likely to be simply suppressed, then it is invalid. Until then, your interweb ravings aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Q.E.D.
Ahh, the old popolotry for proof hey? Thats the same lame excuse NOers everywhere use who have no idea what they're talking about. That's the same exact thing that got us into this crisis - will you ever figure that out? Aww, Stubby. I guess when one can't prove one's argument, it's always safe to fall back on the ad hominem.  Unless you're denying the infallibility of the ordinary Magisterium, which makes you a heretic by the way, then the promulgation of the 1970 Missal was an act of the teaching authority of the Church and is free from error. As I said, Q.E.D.  |
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« Reply #326 on: May 02, 2012, 02:46:PM » |
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Bombay is correct. If the Novus Ordo is an act of the ordinary Magisterium, by that very fact it must be free from error.
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« Reply #327 on: May 02, 2012, 03:25:PM » |
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Prove it? The fact that the Vicar of Christ says it every day is all the proof a true Catholic needs. I will point out again that declaring an approved Rite of the Church invalid and a mockery is really beyond your authority and certainly your competence. Get an education (start with a logic class) then come back and you might be on your way to beginning to approach the inklings of an understanding of the genesis of this problem.
When the Church declares it invalid, although it is more likely to be simply suppressed, then it is invalid. Until then, your interweb ravings aren't worth the paper they are printed on. Q.E.D.
Ahh, the old popolotry for proof hey? Thats the same lame excuse NOers everywhere use who have no idea what they're talking about. That's the same exact thing that got us into this crisis - will you ever figure that out? Aww, Stubby. I guess when one can't prove one's argument, it's always safe to fall back on the ad hominem. Unless you're denying the infallibility of the ordinary Magisterium, which makes you a heretic by the way, then the promulgation of the 1970 Missal was an act of the teaching authority of the Church and is free from error. As I said, Q.E.D. Not sure if your Dr B or Col C today, but the NOM, being a product prone to error because, unlike that which it replaced, the NOM not being protected from error by the Holy Ghost, has proven itself to be the worst disaster in the history of the Church. You choose to hang your hat on wrong cannot be wrong because the "infallible magisterium" is responsible for promulgating an error prone modernist mockery of the Mass of Trent - that is playing a fool's game due to 50 years of evidence against such a dumb theory designed only to dupe the most lethargic Catholics - too bad so many were so lethargic. That doesn't mean you need to remain one. Then again you're one who thinks people need 8 years of seminary training to know right from wrong - again, that's a fool's game. Q.E.F. and remain in your error, but fyi, before God you'll not be able to plead ignorance. Perhaps the next crisis the enemy will wave banners declaring itself to be the enemy - however in this crisis, the wolves are firmly situated within the hierarchy and pretty much the only way to tell who the enemy is, is by what they do against the faith................if you'll learn your faith, it'll be much easier for you to spot error regardless of which enemy promulgates it. |
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« Reply #328 on: May 02, 2012, 03:27:PM » |
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Bombay is correct. If the Novus Ordo is an act of the ordinary Magisterium, by that very fact it must be free from error.
Nope. If what you say is correct then there is no crisis. |
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« Reply #329 on: May 02, 2012, 03:35:PM » |
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Bombay is correct. If the Novus Ordo is an act of the ordinary Magisterium, by that very fact it must be free from error.
Nope. If what you say is correct then there is no crisis. Ah, so you do deny the infallibility of the Ordinary Magisterium. Heretic. |
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