Can Anyone Show Me One Or More Parts of The Ordinary Of The Novus Ordo Missal That Is Contrary To Catholicism ?

[Whitey]

I'm looking at a Novus Ordo missal, and I can't find a single thing non-catholic in it. So, how is the NO Mass itself "intristically evil" ?

The best anyone could do over on CA forum was to point to the Preparation of the Gifts, saying the prayer(preparation of the wine) "sounds like" and "is based on" Jewish prayers.

I'm not denying abuses take place, or arguing that women in the Sanctuary is acceptable, etc.  I'm talking about the ordinary itself, on paper, as printed in the Missal.

There is much I don't like in the Ordinary, such as the Sign of Peace, or the absurd translation of pro multis, but I can't see anything specifically non-catholic.

I could be wrong. Convince me.

[jovan66102]

Good question! I see a lot of 'intrinsically evil' posts, but like you, I cannot see anthing in it that qualifies.

[Tiny]

The fix is in with this question; most of the controversy revolves around portions that were deleted from the TLM to the NO, hence you won't find them in the NO missal.

[Catholicmilkman]

First, it's not what's in it that makes it bad but what's not, which is (1) the Offertory and (2) deficient canon(s), many with no mention of sacrifice. In the end, it makes the rite of Mass no longer an insurmountable barrier to heresy. There's much more that could be said and has in it's critical study which accompanied Cardinal Ottaviani's Intervention.

[gjwalberg]

I'm looking at a Novus Ordo missal, and I can't find a single thing non-catholic in it. So, how is the NO Mass itself "intristically evil" ?

The best anyone could do over on CA forum was to point to the Preparation of the Gifts, saying the prayer(preparation of the wine) "sounds like" and "is based on" Jewish prayers.

I'm not denying abuses take place, or arguing that women in the Sanctuary is acceptable, etc.  I'm talking about the ordinary itself, on paper, as printed in the Missal.

There is much I don't like in the Ordinary, such as the Sign of Peace, or the absurd translation of pro multis, but I can't see anything specifically non-catholic.

I could be wrong. Convince me.

Hopefully the new ICEL English Translation will quickly clean up the "pro multis" problem.  Translating the Precious Blood as a sacrifice "for all" is overtly non-Catholic.

[StevusMagnus]

Whitey, you are correct. It is not intrinsically evil. Christ wouldn't allow His Church to feed itself poison in an officially promulgated Rite. One can argue it is far inferior to the Old Rite, but it is not intrinsicallly evil on paper.

[cunctas_haereses]

'on paper' - that's good.

In actual practice?

The results from the last 40 years speak for themselves. 'By their fruits....' and all that.

[PeterII]

Whitey, you are correct. It is not intrinsically evil. Christ wouldn't allow His Church to feed itself poison in an officially promulgated Rite. One can argue it is far inferior to the Old Rite, but it is not intrinsicallly evil on paper.

Christ allows his faithful to commit sacrilege with communion in the hand which is also an officially promulgated discipline. Christ allows us to sin all the time as well, so I don't see why he would stop men from abusing their authority by creating a bad rite if they so choose. 

[Catholicmilkman]

Whitey, you are correct. It is not intrinsically evil. Christ wouldn't allow His Church to feed itself poison in an officially promulgated Rite. One can argue it is far inferior to the Old Rite, but it is not intrinsicallly evil on paper.

The Church never promulgated the evil missal (it is not a rite as our Holy Father has clearly proclaimed) but Pope Paul VI may have. I doubt it but then who knows up from down with what the freemasons, communists, etc have done with our Mother. Traditional Catholics can't even agree.

[MeaMaximaCulpa]

Whitey, you are correct. It is not intrinsically evil. Christ wouldn't allow His Church to feed itself poison in an officially promulgated Rite. One can argue it is far inferior to the Old Rite, but it is not intrinsicallly evil on paper.

The Church never promulgated the evil missal (it is not a rite as our Holy Father has clearly proclaimed) but Pope Paul VI may have. I doubt it but then who knows up from down with what the freemasons, communists, etc have done with our Mother. Traditional Catholics can't even agree.

Ain't the Pope the visible head of the Church?