The MP "an act of tolerance"

[ResiduumRevertetur]

(I don't want to jump the gun, so I'll try to reserve judgement on this for a while.)

From Rorate Caeli

Pope Benedict on Summorum

In his first public comments on Summorum Pontificum since its publication, on July 7, 2007, Pope Benedict XVI had the following to say on the motu proprio in an interview granted during his Rome-Paris flight earlier today:

This 'motu proprio' is simply an act of tolerance, with a pastoral objective, for people who have been formed in this liturgy, who love it, know it and want to live with this liturgy. It is a small group, given that it presupposes a formation in Latin, a formation in a certain culture. But it seems to me a normal demand of faith and pastoral concern for a bishop of our Church to have love and tolerance for these people and permit them to live with this liturgy.

There is no opposition whatsoever between the liturgy renewed by the Second Vatican Council and this liturgy. Each day, the Council fathers celebrated Mass according to this old rite and, at the same time, have conceived a natural development for the liturgy in all of this century, since the liturgy is a living reality that develops and that conserves its identity in its development.

Therefore, there are certainly distinct accents, but a fundamental identity that excludes a contradiction, an opposition between the renewed liturgy and the preceding liturgy. I think that there is the possibility of mutual enrichment. It's clear that the renewed liturgy is the ordinary liturgy of our times.

[gjwalberg]

I saw this earlier today.  It made me sad.  I hope he was just taken out of context.

[DrBombay]

That's a pretty large chunk of context to be taken out of context.

Look, I don't really care why he did it.  At the end of the day, he did it.  Period.  SP will have far reaching implications, going far beyond this papacy and well into the future. 

All the pope needed to do was to derestrict the Old Rite, which he did.  We'll take it from here.

[Dauphin]

In France, traditionalists will eventually form a majority of active Catholics, so I don't think the Pope's comment is realistic.

The comment does seem to refute Fr.Z's "Marshall Plan" idea, though....

[Marty]

I saw this earlier today.  It made me sad.  I hope he was just taken out of context.

Don't be sad. French aren't a very tolerant lot and the Bishops have been very intolerant regarding SP.
The pope meant what he said. Not for the whole world, just the French.

[Baskerville]

(I don't want to jump the gun, so I'll try to reserve judgement on this for a while.)

From Rorate Caeli

Pope Benedict on Summorum

In his first public comments on Summorum Pontificum since its publication, on July 7, 2007, Pope Benedict XVI had the following to say on the motu proprio in an interview granted during his Rome-Paris flight earlier today:

This 'motu proprio' is simply an act of tolerance, with a pastoral objective, for people who have been formed in this liturgy, who love it, know it and want to live with this liturgy. It is a small group, given that it presupposes a formation in Latin, a formation in a certain culture. But it seems to me a normal demand of faith and pastoral concern for a bishop of our Church to have love and tolerance for these people and permit them to live with this liturgy.

There is no opposition whatsoever between the liturgy renewed by the Second Vatican Council and this liturgy. Each day, the Council fathers celebrated Mass according to this old rite and, at the same time, have conceived a natural development for the liturgy in all of this century, since the liturgy is a living reality that develops and that conserves its identity in its development.

Therefore, there are certainly distinct accents, but a fundamental identity that excludes a contradiction, an opposition between the renewed liturgy and the preceding liturgy. I think that there is the possibility of mutual enrichment. It's clear that the renewed liturgy is the ordinary liturgy of our times.

We all know how the NO Bishops work, this line "SP is simply an act of tolerance with a pastoral objective for people who have been formed in this liturgy. It is a small group given that it presupposes a formation in Latin, a formation in a certain culture." This Will be used to screw those of us who want the real Mass. I can hear it already " you don't know latin you weren't formed in that pre conciliar culture". The Pope God bless him really has two faces. I just got done reading two of his books "The Spirit of the Liturgy" and "God is With us" for about the fourth time. In these books he talks about all the problems with the new rite Calling it "a banal on the spot product". Yet in this statement the "banal on the spot product" becomes, "the council fathers conceived a natural development of the liturgy". Well excuuuuse me Your Holiness but just what the hell is it? A banal on the spot product or a "natural development"? He wants the Bishops to have "love and tolerance for these people". What people your Holiness, you mean Catholics. Those who follow the faith that you and your predecesors abandoned in your stupid council. And he knows very well that the only TOOOOOOOOOLERANCE that is shown in his conciliar "Church" is to old homosexual clerics. I am really getting sick of the Pope's fence sitting. He realeses MP then this statement. Even after more than a year of his "Bishops" ignoring him and thwarting the MP. This just gives them more ammo. What is it that the Bishops use to deny the Mass to the faithful? Answer this line "There must be a large established group" over and over again. Well by this "it is a small group that needs formation in latin" what the hell is that? He just confirmed their bias and now we have to be formed in Latin too? So now what the "Bishops" will give all the faithful tests to see if they know Latin just like the hoops they make the Priests who want to say a real Mass go through? Enough with this Benedict.

 "There is no opposition with the renewed liturgy of VII and this liturgy." "There's a fundimental identity that exludes contradiction." Really. He seems to have changed his mind since 2000 when he wrote "The Spirit of the Liturgy" When he called it a "Banal on the spot product".

"Its clear that the renewed liturgy is the liturgy of our times" Well he is right here. It's the perfect liturgy for a Protestant formerly Catholic Church that is so sunk in the abyss of  impiety, loss of faith, degeneracy and perversion as to make the Rennaisance Church look perfectly moral."

[Baskerville]

I saw this earlier today.  It made me sad.  I hope he was just taken out of context.

Don't be sad. French aren't a very tolerant lot and the Bishops have been very intolerant regarding SP.
The pope meant what he said. Not for the whole world, just the French.

But the words will be used by the liberal Bishops of the whole world.

[Baskerville]

That's a pretty large chunk of context to be taken out of context.

Look, I don't really care why he did it.  At the end of the day, he did it.  Period.  SP will have far reaching implications, going far beyond this papacy and well into the future.  

Not if it keeps getting watered down it won't

[Marty]

I saw this earlier today.  It made me sad.  I hope he was just taken out of context.

Don't be sad. French aren't a very tolerant lot and the Bishops have been very intolerant regarding SP.
The pope meant what he said. Not for the whole world, just the French.

But the words will be used by the liberal Bishops of the whole world.

True but if they do it shows them being intolerant...doesn't it?

[Whitey]

That's a pretty large chunk of context to be taken out of context.

Look, I don't really care why he did it.  At the end of the day, he did it.  Period.  SP will have far reaching implications, going far beyond this papacy and well into the future. 

All the pope needed to do was to derestrict the Old Rite, which he did.  We'll take it from here.

I agree, and hopefuly, the young priests will take it from here.

Whether or not the tradi movement will prevail is up to the young priests.