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PeterII
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2008, 11:02:AM »

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We have "freedom of religion" and "freedom of speech and thought" in the West. We reject that there is any truth, hence you're free to practice any kind of error you want.

This doesn't reject the truth, it just allows it to be heard amidst the lies.  While not ideal, it is certainly better than suppressing the truth.  The truth has strength on its own merit, and men of good will will adhere to it if they are not stopped from hearing it. 

 The American system is acceptable because it allows the Catholic Church to be free.  We can work within the system to change it to the ideal.  Can't do that in Iran.  The Catholic Church was also growing in the US until the leaders of the Church screwed it all up at Vatican II and after. 
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2008, 12:39:PM »

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Iran is a sovereign nation with laws.  Is sharia law correct?  No, obviously not.  However, it is their law and they abide by it.

Given the concept of American genocide against unborn children...I'm surprised Iran isn't considering invading us.

They sent one Christian to his eternal reward in the past few decades.  How many souls have been lost thanks to the the state religion of Naturalism in the United States?

I've stated many times that I'm sympathetic to Iran because they are the last holdout against the NWO, and they are an intelligent peaceful people...regardless of what their government does.

What do you make of murdering the faithful though?


They've executed one convert in the past few decades.  Should they have done this?  Absolutely not.  Is it within their right to do so under their law?  Yes, it is.  We have to respect that, and he had to respect that; as it resulted in his martyrdom.

There is no confusion in Iran. Christianity is a protected religion, but it is illegal for a Muslim to convert.  When a person chooses to convert there, they know the possibility of persecution.

The sad thing is these people still love us...they still love Americans.  Even though we've labeled them our eternal enemies...who is showing charity?

We can regurgitate whatever 'rights of man' garbage we want.  The simple facts are martyrdom produced the Holy Roman Empire, and freedom of religion produced the abortion mills.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2008, 04:18:AM »

Anyone on this board ever actually visited Iran?

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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2008, 10:50:AM »

States and people are not the same. How violent a Muslim is depends on how strongly he adheres to the precepts of violence in Islam. Hence this is way it is not so crazy to think that some individual Muslims are indeed not as violent as stereotypes have painted them.

Now I get to see the dumbos clamor for my head.

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2008, 08:29:AM »

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I get the sense that some on this board are symapthetic to Iran because they are Israel's enemy,

Well that logic totally doesn't surprise me.
Of course according to that logic the Catholics should support the Nazis as well.
I mean they are Israel enemy.

I must say that from outside you really bring shame to yourself.
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2008, 09:11:AM »

I think that what some people like about Iran is that it is built upon what it thinks is true and does not allow those who believe in falsehood to spread their errors. That is a discussion that pertains more to religious pluralism/freedom.

I think many of us are tired of plurality and of the political correct-ness that is a part of it. If we offend someone, we've committed the most heinous of sins of the commonwealth. If we think someone else is wrong, we're horrible for doing so.

In addition a lot of these states labeled as "evil" also do not tolerate abortion or homosexuality. Makes one wonder who is the worse evil...

I'm not for Islam or their violent attacks on the Faith but there are these few aspects that I think many of us can respect. Even though they are put forth for what is false, the principles are respectable in some way I guess. I just like people who speak the truth and don't back down - but I'd prefer to convert to the Faith!

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2008, 09:55:AM »

Antoher ugly truth-they allow for seats for non-Muslims, inc 2-3 for Jews. Iraq had seats for non-Muslims, inc Christians.

Seats for Christians in Knesset?
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