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Author Topic: I don't want a Catholic Government... yet.  (Read 1854 times)
Catholicmilkman
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2008, 08:39:PM »

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I don't think anyone has benefited more from the separation of church and state in the US then the Catholic Church. When this country was founded about 1% of the population was Catholic, indeed many early settlers were extremely hostile towards the Church. If it wasn't for that separation the Church probably never would have been able to grow into the largest single denomination in the US.
This is our primary and biggest problem right here. We must heal and restore the Church first before we heal and restore another society, for the Church is from Whom all God's good gifts flow. Okay, with that said, the Catholic Church is not a denomination; St. Paul condemns denominations in Galatians 5:20 (drbo.org doesn't use the word but one of my hard-copy Douay-Rheims does).
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Baskerville
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« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2008, 09:40:PM »

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Another favorite of mine, the great Dean Martin, will have to fill in for now... ;)

WHOA are you placing Cary Grant ABOVE Dino in the cool department. It's a toss up but I would say that it goes:

Dean Martin
Frank Sinatra
Cary Grant
Steve McQueen.

Dino fills in for no one.
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Baskerville
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2008, 09:43:PM »

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Quote from: Chrysostom
I don't think anyone has benefited more from the separation of church and state in the US then the Catholic Church. When this country was founded about 1% of the population was Catholic, indeed many early settlers were extremely hostile towards the Church. If it wasn't for that separation the Church probably never would have been able to grow into the largest single denomination in the US.
This is our primary and biggest problem right here. We must heal and restore the Church first before we heal and restore another society, for the Church is from Whom all God's good gifts flow. 

Exactly I wouldn't want the Church running a secular lemonade stand much less a nation. Not until the Church is fixed.

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frerejacques
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2008, 07:55:AM »

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Quote from: StevusMagnus
Another favorite of mine, the great Dean Martin, will have to fill in for now... ;)

WHOA are you placing Cary Grant ABOVE Dino in the cool department. It's a toss up but I would say that it goes:

Dean Martin
Frank Sinatra
Cary Grant
Steve McQueen.

Dino fills in for no one.

Now this is a much more compelling issue than the election. How can Dino be cooler than Sinatra?!  And nobody's cooler than Gary Cooper!   One of you menfolk should start a thread in your section downpage so we can flesh this out;  I'd do it right now, but it's not really my place, is it?
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nakedcaesar
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2008, 07:57:AM »

Hi all,

This thread reminded me of this talk given by the Archbishop of Granada, Spain, Javier Martinez. (Keep in mind, the talk is posted in the Second Spring website, which, as the name implies, is very much dedicated to Vatican II and JPII's new springtime. This publication follows the Communio school of theology, which, for our purposes, should only interest us insofar as they name the correct enemy: secular reason/liberalism/modernism/the enlightenment/or whatever else we want to call it. Please forgive me for posting it here, with all its references to von Balthasar and de Lubac, but it really is one of the best critiques of our time that I've found anywhere. As St. Paul says, test everything and hold on to what is true...)

Most interesting is the idea that if we try to change the political landscape using the tools of liberalism, we will only end up being sucked into its way of thinking. Better for us to be Christians and seek conversion of sinners, rather than political power, as our predecessors did at the fall of the Roman Empire.

Our enemies learned their lesson well when they tried violent revolution in 1789, 1848, 1917, and 1936 in various nations, but only truly succeeded when they attacked culturally worldwide in 1968. (See Pat Buchanan's Death of the West for details on the Frankfurt School that led to this cultural revolution.)

So the lesson for us should be that it's not enough to have Catholic politicians. It's a Catholic culture that should develop first, that will eventually create a Catholic state. And for that we must overtake the high ground of education, media, entertainment, and (unfortunately) the Church itself, which the enemy currently holds.

As for what a Catholic nation would look like, see Chapter 6 (Re-imagining the Christian State) of Fr. Aidan Nichols' book Christendom Awake, as well as this great article by noted monarchists Charles A. Coulombe.

Anyway, that was my two cents. Thanks for reading this, my first post, and I hope I didn't bore you.
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DaveC
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2008, 09:57:AM »

Popular vote = New York and California pick the president.

Who cares if there is bloodshed?  Right and wrong isn't determined by a popular vote.  Death isn't the worst thing for men.

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Hotspur
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2008, 02:31:PM »

We need an "Edict of Milan" in this country granting immunity to "Christians" (Catholics) first, then in a century or so, if Catholics don't screw themselves up, the US may be more Catholic among non-Hispanics. The chances of such a law being passed is very slim though...
On a side note, I wonder if some people would label Constantine "modernist" for that edict...

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