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Author Topic: he commits a most grievous sin, who seeks only carnal pleasure in it. Hence Onan  (Read 3861 times)
veritatem_dilexisti
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« Reply #70 on: November 17, 2008, 07:19:PM »

Read his posts, he is most obviously taking the mickey!
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LaRoza
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« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2008, 07:41:PM »

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Read his posts, he is most obviously taking the mickey!


He is saying things I agree with, and saying things I don't agree with, but I don't see anything which qualifies as "trolling".
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Catholicmilkman
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« Reply #72 on: November 17, 2008, 08:33:PM »

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However, it is perfectly possible for Adam and Eve to have had all the genes for the races. All the races of the world are accepted as coming from a single couple.
That is what I meant. Adam and Eve had all the genes that we have today because we came from them alone and therefore we are all humans. Genes can change though within a nature, hence degenerative diseases, the different hair, eye and skin colors, and even all our difference in face and body. These are dictated in some measure by our genes. Our human nature is formed by our soul though.

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Yes, I've read story that before. But what I was saying is that Adam and Eve could not been black and white at exactly the same time in appearance. You can be one or the other or a mix. Both the parents were biracial in that family, which doesn't much tell us anything. It only confirms recessive genes from what I understand.
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LaRoza
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« Reply #73 on: November 17, 2008, 08:39:PM »

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Yes, I've read about that or a similar event. But what I was saying is that Adam and Eve could not been black and white at exactly the same time. You can be one or the other or a mix. I believe both the parents were biracial in that family though, which doesn't much tell us anything. It only confirms recessive genes from what I understand.


Well, they would have had the genes. The genetic code isn't "decoded" to any significant degree. It is quite a jumble, with most of it apparently garbage code.

The way genes interact are complex, so a simple characteristic is often many genes.

I believe that they (Adam and Eve) had all the genes, and through natural selection (note, of existing genes) they were separated. Whiter skinned people, with their tolerance for lactose and their ability to get more vitamin D through the sun, could live in the northern regions using cattle for milk and gettting the required sun light exposure in the less lit north. In places like Africa, dark skinned people could live in the more harsh sun, and were resistant to malaria (sickle cell anemia).

Humans, as they spread, isolated our genes, until instead of having what it was originally, we had separated characteristics.

But nothing "evolved" or was new, just separated and degraded.
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Catholicmilkman
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« Reply #74 on: November 17, 2008, 09:22:PM »

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Well, they would have had the genes.
Yes. And we all and each do too.

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The genetic code isn't "decoded" to any significant degree. It is quite a jumble, with most of it apparently garbage code.
God doesn't create garbage. Every gene, every organ, every little thing has a purpose.

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I believe that they (Adam and Eve) had all the genes, and through natural selection (note, of existing genes) they were separated. Whiter skinned people, with their tolerance for lactose and their ability to get more vitamin D through the sun, could live in the northern regions using cattle for milk and gettting the required sun light exposure in the less lit north. In places like Africa, dark skinned people could live in the more harsh sun, and were resistant to malaria (sickle cell anemia).
Natural selection? Nah, rather God's Plan and Providence. Venerable Anne Catherine is quoted as saying that black skin was the result of sin. (Genetic) disease and death is the result of Adam's fall? I believe it's just that some changes in our genes are deadly and others are not.

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Humans, as they spread, isolated our genes, until instead of having what it was originally, we had separated characteristics.
Yes. But our genes cannot be completely isolated as we are all the same exactly nature. Africans had and have all the same genes that Europeans had and have. The bio-density of every physical nature is in every kind's DNA (seed and sperm). The difference is just how or which the genes are expressed. I believe every gene is something like a dualism, like yes or no, on or off. Whether this involves one, two, or more genes, I do not know.

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But nothing "evolved" or was new, just separated and degraded.
Well in a sense, yes, the genes evolved (changed) to express some new characteristic which once never was, though no new genes were created nor were any lost.
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LaRoza
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« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2008, 09:40:PM »

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God doesn't create garbage. Every gene, every organ, every little thing has a purpose.

Yes, I know. The point was they don't know or understand it.

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Natural selection? Nah, rather God's Plan and Providence.

I don't think God planned on the Fall, and the selection was done naturally as a result, rather than a deliberate separation (well Babel, maybe it was the result of that, but the process was natural)

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Venerable Anne Catherine is quoted as saying that black skin was the result of sin.

That could be ignorance ;) Skin colour means little. Would albino "black" people be sinless?

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Yes. But our genes cannot be completely isolated as we are all the same exactly nature. Africans had and have all the same genes that Europeans had and have. The bio-density of every physical nature is in every kind's DNA (seed and sperm). The difference is just how or which the genes are expressed. I believe every gene is something like a dualism, like yes or no, on or off. Whether this involves one, two, or more genes, I do not know.

Yes, the genetic code is very complex and mostly unknown. It is possible to remove certain things from the code in certain organisms though.

Like a male can not carry an X linked trait without expressing it, whereas females can, so males that don't have that trait, don't have it in them at all.

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Well in a sense, yes, the genes evolved (changed) to express some new characteristic which once never was, though no new genes were created nor were any lost.


Yes, basically, using the legos to make new shapes, using the same old legos.
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devotedknuckles
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« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2008, 09:59:PM »

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and I'm sorry if anyone finds my attitude towards other religions harsh
don't be lad. i find your attitude rather mellow.
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« Reply #77 on: November 17, 2008, 11:01:PM »

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Venerable Anne Catherine is quoted as saying that black skin was the result of sin.

Can you post the exact quotes?
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« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2008, 03:29:AM »

Originally Posted by Catholicmilkman
Venerable Anne Catherine is quoted as saying that black skin was the result of sin.

I would also like to get the exact place where she said this!!

If it is true, we need to repent.

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HMiS
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« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2008, 06:13:AM »

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In the most respectful and sincere way possible - I'd ask this.

Is it any wonder that some traditionalists are really miserable sourpusses if they are prone to think like this about sex with their lifelong spouse.

Life is difficult enough without having to worry about my motivation everytime I fancy a bit of slap and tickle.

At least if I was a Hessidic Jew I'd get to wear crazy clothes and drive a Volvo.



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