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Robhaidheuch
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008, 05:25:AM » |
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How can one be in mortal sin for refusing to partake in a rigged election? |
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Alba na bragh! (Scotland Forever)
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dkpintar
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2008, 08:37:AM » |
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No, the conclusions are:
If you voted for Obama or any other pro-abortion candidate, you may have committed mortal sin with your vote.
If you abstained from voting, you may have committed mortal sin with your inaction (casting a vote is arguably not a burden for most people so we are required to act towards the good in such cases).
quoted for truth.
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die 1 martii: Menéviæ in Cámbira, sancti David, epíscopi, qui, exémpla et mores Patrum orientálium ímitans, monastérium, cóndidit, unde permùlti profécti sunt mónachi, qui Cámbriam, Hibérnium, Cornúbiam et Armóricam evangelizárunt.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2008, 09:08:AM » |
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Obama=100% pro-choice
McCain=98% pro-choice
Difference in principle-NONE!!!!
I would amend post that if Baldwin was write in or on ballot in your state, and you knew it, but made weasal, spinelss excuses why "he can't win" and "no chance" for your alck of spine, you too have committed mortal sin!!
That is where "lesser evils" has gotten you. have some courage, break from the herd od swine going over the hill and wake up to the Constitution party or at least, its candidates.....
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Don't blame me, I voted Baldwin 2008!
"Catholics throughout the country are again accepting `the lesser of two evils'.... They fail to see the body of Catholic social teaching of such men as Fr. Vincent McNabb, G.K. Chesterton, Belloc, Eric Gill and other Distributists ... and lose all sight of The Little Way."
-Dorothy Day
I thank God that I live in a day when the enemy is outside the Church, and I know where he is, and what he is up to. But, I foresee a day when the enemy will be both outside and inside the Church ... and, I pray for the poor faithful who will be caught in the crossfire. --Cardinal Newman
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Belloc
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2008, 09:08:AM » |
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How can one be in mortal sin for refusing to partake in a rigged election? True, what you are seeing are people that are spineless neoncons and neocon enablers...... |
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Don't blame me, I voted Baldwin 2008!
"Catholics throughout the country are again accepting `the lesser of two evils'.... They fail to see the body of Catholic social teaching of such men as Fr. Vincent McNabb, G.K. Chesterton, Belloc, Eric Gill and other Distributists ... and lose all sight of The Little Way."
-Dorothy Day
I thank God that I live in a day when the enemy is outside the Church, and I know where he is, and what he is up to. But, I foresee a day when the enemy will be both outside and inside the Church ... and, I pray for the poor faithful who will be caught in the crossfire. --Cardinal Newman
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2008, 09:09:AM » |
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Don't blame me, I voted Baldwin 2008! Sinner. |
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Nobody ever really leaves Fisheaters.
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2008, 09:25:AM » |
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No, the conclusions are:
If you voted for Obama or any other pro-abortion candidate, you may have committed mortal sin with your vote.
If you abstained from voting, you may have committed mortal sin with your inaction (casting a vote is arguably not a burden for most people so we are required to act towards the good in such cases).
you may have....This is the point and the heart of the matter. Who knows? Who has the definite answer about voting, and if it is a sin to vote for the wrong candidate or if it is a sin in not voting at all. This is the disorientation. There is no authoritative voice telling Roman Catholics the correct way to approach the ballot box. A diabolical disorientation if ever there was one. |
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“He is therefore not a true lover of the common good who does not desire and work as much as is permissible in his station to make the whole world subject to one monarch.”
William of Ockham d 1347
“GOOD SUCCESS BE TO THE ROMANS, and to the people of the Jews, by sea and by land for ever: and far be the sword and enemy from them.” First Book Of Machabees 8:23
“Fight, children of light, you, the few who can see. For now is the time of all times, the end of all ends.” Our Lady of La Salette
"No ordinary man can discern the beginning of evil, but only the true statesman." Aristotle Politics
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littlehammer
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2008, 09:45:AM » |
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If nothing else, Belloc, Warning, MM and others are consistent and like the women scorned (you know "hell hath no fury..."?), you were accused of mortal sin by some and, now, you do the same. The dripping and utter vindictiveness...okay, bring it on, bring it on.
Yes, we who voted for McCain because he was more pro-life than Obama are spineless and weak because we didn't believe the new saviour, the new party of hope and conservatism, the Constitution Party. Doh! Geez, why didn't I see it? Why couldn't I realize that all our hopes, all our future is tied to another political party, the Constitution Party! Yes, the Constitution Party will bring heaven on earth, lead by a protestant minister...yes, yes, why didn't I see it?! Why didn't I listen to Belloc?! Oh, the humanity!
Yes, we who voted for McCain didn't realize that he was part of the grand establishment scheme, we were fooled by his rhetoric and we thought him to be the saviour that Jesus is not! I just wish I was as wise and experienced as Belloc and Warning so I hadn't fallen into the trap of voting for McCain. Geez, I know he said he wouldn't sign the FOCA bill and Obama would and MM said stats prove that abortion is decreasing in the US (but what about the world?) why didn't I just listen to them and abstain or go to Belloc's benighted saviour, Baldwin? Why, why, did I listen to my conscience and vote for one of the only two viable options? Why, why?
I still believe Obama is more dangerous and we see, as has been stated before, that Obama is tweedle dee to McCain's tweedle-dum, especially, with his selection of different picks for his advisers and cabinet; however, I will reiterate for the benefit of the more enlightened members of this blog that many voted for McCain because he was more pro-life and less dangerous than Obama in the areas of life and homosexual "rights". I doubt many believed that things would get better under a McCain, just not as bad as fast as with Obama. And, if less babies would be killed under a McCain administration than a Obama administration (and I talk of not just American babies but babies from all around the world) than that reality is more important than taking a stand or a making a "moral" point by voting for Baldwin or abstaining from voting. The simple fact is that the Constitution Party or others of the like will NEVER EVER be allowed to take power by the governing elites as they are now constituted. The only way is by a conversion of hearts to God and His Holy Church and we need holy priests for that, in the mean time, we do not put our hopes and dreams into political parties; we might support this or that political candidate as the tactical situation deems best, but that is all.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2008, 10:58:AM » |
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Catholics should vote pro-life candidates, not candidates who are less pro-abortion or more electable.
Bob Barr, Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin were the only decent candidates. I wrote in Ron Paul.
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"We're from Jersey. Not New Jersey, just Jersey. We curse a lot. We say "yo" and we say it often. We sure as hell don't pump our own gas. We know what real pizza tastes like and we know that a bagel is much more than a roll wit a hole in the middle. We judge people by what exit they are off the parkway or by what mall they live closest to. We drive SUVs and we tailgate any chance we get. All good nights must end in a diner, preferably with cheese fries. It's a sub, not a hoagie or a hero. and I wash it down with soda, not pop. I have a dawg, and I drink cawfee. ..and New York City, is "the city." We know 65 mph means 80 mph."-Anon
Foolish then, is he who departs from the Vicar of Christ Crucified, who has the keys of the Blood, or who goes against him . . . Even though the pope were satan incarnate himself, I may not lift up my head against him, but I must always humble myself, and beg for the Blood as a mercy, for in no other wise can I obtain a part of it -St. Catherine of Sienna.
If desire has equal power with actual Baptism, you would then be satisfied to desire Glory, as though that longing itself were Glory!-St. Gregory Nazianzen.
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DaveC
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2008, 11:04:AM » |
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I wrote in Ron Paul.
I drank Scotch. |
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In 2008, I'll vote for Ron Paul, or not at all!
رژیم صهیونیست بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود
"Our own belief is that the renovation of the world will be brought about only by the Holy Eucharist."
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cunctas_haereses
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2008, 11:12:AM » |
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I drank ales.
How you vote = maybe/maybe not mortal sin??
Looneys.
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Heaven is a REWARD, not a RIGHT.
Every truly pagan society has, at it's core, some form of human sacrifice. In today's world, it's abortion.
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