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[ulyssesdz1]

Hello everyone, I have been reading these posts and I figured I would put my two cents in. Just some background on myself, I am a U.S. naval officer stationed at Naval Post Graduate School at Monterey,CA, I regularly go to both the TLM and Easter Byzantine Divine Liturgy. I consider myself an ameteur Mariologist and I especially like reading books from St. Louis De Montfort. I just wanted to comment on a few things on this post.

1)Southern Catholic-quick question for you, you keep insisting that luigi is quoting the saints out of context but everytime I read his posts, particularly those that deal with purity, they are in many ways not out of context. My question is which particularly quotes that luigi has quoted are out of context.

Look, we live in a very immoral world and particularly in the line of work I am in it can be extremely difficult, and part of the problem is that people are not guarding what they look at, whether it is at women in the workspace, magazines and TV's. Granted most people are not brought up to be chaste, whether it is through parental influence or media influence or lack of moral formation, the problem is there. Most people are not afraid of hell and I guarantee you that if they had faith, and if they were raised with the consequences of what happens if they go into impurity they will repent. Our Lady of Fatima stated that most souls go to hell due to impurity. I take her at her word. So when these sainst like Alphonse de Ligouri, St John Vianney, St Louis de Montfort, St John Chrosystom, St Augustine, and the Mother of God herself speak about these evils, I don't believe it is a good idea for any one of us to simply say "It's not the Magisterium" so we don't need to listen to it, that is not a Catholic attitude to have. Southern Catholic, if that is not what you mean please correct me.

Let me give you an example of what I am talking about. A year or so ago Father Gabrielle Amorth said some explosive things about the Harry Potter books, basically saying that they were satanic and that they led straight to the devil. I wasn't surprised when most of the media reacted against it, but I was really surprised to see Catholics attacking Father Amorth. These were the Jimmy Akins, Amy Welborns that basically said that Father Amorth is not the magisterium so his words could be ignored. They disappointed me in many ways, not the least of which was their surprisingly un-Catholic attitude about the affair. Here is a priest who literally has confronted the devil and his legions thousands of times in his life(BTW, who on this forum can claim to have done what Father Amorth has), so he knows what he is talking about. For any Catholic to display such a blaise attitude to what this man had to say was surprising. True, he is not the magisterium and what he says is not dogma, but are you and I or anyone who is not a priest and particularly not an exorcist in any position to ignore him. A better attitude to have displayed is to read what he had to say, pray the Rosary for understanding and see if he is right, because if he is your soul, your child's soul is at stake if they are reading books they ought not to be reading.
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[ulyssesdz1]

My last post was pretty long, but there is more I wanted to write about. BTW, I didn't want to get side tracked into Harry Potter I merely wanted to use that as an example. Anyways, bottom line, impurity is a grave evil and the Angelic Doctor said himself that if we are tempted we have to run away from it. If a certain individual because they are handsome or pretty or whatever, are a particularly strong temptation for us, it is better not to communicate with the person and walk away lest lust takes us over. If we have to communicate with said individual keep it on business and keep it short. That is the advice of Dom Lorenzo Scupoli in the Spiritual Combat. I know how some of that sounds, it sounds extreme but again impurity is evil, only the pure of heart will see the face of God. All I am saying is please keep on open mind, particularly to the saints, after all, God wouldn't have raised them to the altars if He didn't want them as our examples. Also keeping in mind that not everything they said is theologically correct, so be discerning but don't be in a rush to automatically discount what a saint says just becuase you happen to disagree with it, remember, they are in heaven, we are not. Or at least not yet, JMJ, Ulysses

[QuisUtDeus]

We don't use the forum as our personal litterbox by starting threads to mock other forum members.  Start a blog and take it there.  At least I won't have to pay the bandwidth on it.

If a person quotes a saint or Church Father or Scripture itself and uses it out of context, and the person clearly and honestly doesn't understand the mistake, the appropriate thing to do is to educate them with charity and kindness.  Those who have much in the intellectual section (or think they do) have a responsibility before Christ to help those who don't.  That's the right thing to do.  If one doesn't want to do the right thing either be quiet or go somewhere else.

Luigi has quoted from the Saints on a number of subjects. Apparently, this has bothered some people a lot. That's not a good sign.

If anything, it is a great opportunity to discuss these subjects, so as to help people who are scrupulous.

...the words of great Saints do not bother me in the slightest. If anything, they inspire me to pursue a deeper spiritual life.

You hit the nail right on the head - three times.

If anyone doesn't understand why people were banned and this thread locked, read this:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/show_single_post?pid=30593709&postcount=2