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ATrueCatholic
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« on: January 19, 2009, 03:45:PM »

was a socialist and a heretical Baptist preacher... should traditionalist Catholics honor the "Reverend" Dr. King?
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" And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing."-1 Corinthians 13:2
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2009, 03:51:PM »

Take it up here:
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=3238348
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2009, 03:56:PM »

Quote from: ATrueCatholic
was a socialist and a heretical Baptist preacher... should traditionalist Catholics honor the "Reverend" Dr. King?


Not as a saint or other holy person, no, but as a person, he did a lot that was admirable.
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Credo
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2009, 04:07:PM »

Don't we already have a thread to this effect?

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2009, 04:11:PM »

I think this is the third thread.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2009, 04:15:PM »

Quote from: ATrueCatholic
was a socialist and a heretical Baptist preacher... should traditionalist Catholics honor the "Reverend" Dr. King?


What if a socialist and heretical Baptist preacher had organized all Pro-Life Americans to convert the hearts of Americans and overturn Roe v. Wade?  Should traditionalists honor that person?

Someone on the other thread asked what the traditionalist perspective is on race relations.  Here is some pertinent information on Catholic social practices as it concerns race, if we are going to have a rational dialogue.

1).  Segregation on the basis of race did not exist in traditionally Catholic nations, and ALL traditionally Catholic nations have had a larger percentage of multiracial people than Protestant nations, where they have been conquerors (Brazil, the Caribbean, Latin America, the Philippines) -- in short, in practice, they didn't believe that people are speciated.  There was one Medici of Black ancestry, as well (it seems) as one Portuguese monarch.

2) Blacks and Whites interacted before slavery in America, and have never had a relationship has adversarial as here.  Blacks participated in Medieval society, and throughout the history of Christendom -- many early saints were Black; there was no belief in the unsuitability of Blacks to receive the grace of God, on the basis of their race, and entire nations were converted and seen as fully included in the archaic Church (Egs: Ethiopia).

3) The most important point, I think is this one: wherever there has been de facto segregation in Protestant nations, it has been intimately linked to some economic motive (as much of Protestantism is).  Those in the American South were dependent on slave labor, but were outnumbered by those slaves in some states.  They had to guarantee that labor, and prevent rebellion, so they enacted extreme measures (de facto segregation).  Another parallel would be South Africa, where the white settlers (not coincidentally Protestant), needed to guarantee their own social and economic systems on a land they were conquering.  The result was apartheid.

I think traditionalists need to stop mingling politically conservative stances with traditional Catholic thought and culture, or using Catholicism to defend perspectives that aren't truly described as "Catholic".  Part of the problem is that trads in America are living in a culture that is so heavily rooted in Protestantism, they aren't familiar with cultural Catholicism.  None of this is doing us any good, in terms of our own conversion.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2009, 04:20:PM »

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What if a socialist and heretical Baptist preacher had organized all Pro-Life Americans to convert the hearts of Americans and overturn Roe v. Wade?  Should traditionalists honor that person?

This is a great point.  Well done!

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LaRoza
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 04:23:PM »

The Church has always been against such things.

If only the Church's teachings were headed, this would not have happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Dudum
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 04:24:PM »

Quote from: Happyandgrateful
Part of the problem is that trads in America are living in a culture that is so heavily rooted in Protestantism, they aren't familiar with cultural Catholicism.

Actually I've noticed this with some of the Catholic Americans I know personally. It seems to be less of an issue amongst those raised in Italian/Irish/Polish or similar households, where connections with the original country have been maintained, or their communities are still stably Catholic in the context of national culture.
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 06:05:PM »

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Quote from: ATrueCatholic
was a socialist and a heretical Baptist preacher... should traditionalist Catholics honor the "Reverend" Dr. King?


What if a socialist and heretical Baptist preacher had organized all Pro-Life Americans to convert the hearts of Americans and overturn Roe v. Wade?  Should traditionalists honor that person?

Which leads me to ask, what were Martin Luther King's views on abortion?  King's niece, Dr. Alveda C. King, is involved with Priests for Life, is she not?  I wondered if she is directly carrying on a pro-life message derived from her father or just extrapolating, as the late Fr. Neuhaus did, that the Right to Life Movement is the natural continuation of the Civil Rights Movement, in other words a human rights issue.  Just curious.  (Also, is Dr. Alveda King Catholic or Protestant?  I thought this the appropriate day to do some homework on her and her cause.) 
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