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StevusMagnus
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« on: January 23, 2009, 10:43:AM » |
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I thought I would attempt to centralize all of our discussions on the upcoming rumored lifting or nullifying of the excommunications of the SSPX Bishops. Please use this thread to link to new updates and post comments regarding this subject. Here is the latest... http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/Removal of the excommunications of SSPX Bishops Second Thread One Update 1. New article by Andrea Tornielli in Friday's edition of Il Giornale: Saturday or, at most, next week; Fellay met Cañizares in Rome. The removal of the excommunication, decided by Pope Ratzinger, will be published already Saturday, or at most next week, after the end of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity. The four Bishops at this hour wait in silence ... .
The Superior-General of the Fraternity, Bishop Bernard Fellay, first signatory of the letter with which it was requested of the Pontiff to remove the excommunication, in the past few days was in Rome and also met Cardinal Antonio Cañizares, new Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship. 2. (UPDATE 1244 GMT): Il Foglio begins its article on the matter this Friday with the following words: What happens if Benedict XVI "pardons" the Lefebvrist schismatics [sic]
Authoritative sources, directly involved in the operations and contacted by Il Foglio, suggest doubting [invitano a diffidare] the news that appeared yesterday, while the Vatican, and, from Paris, the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, have not, up to now, either confirmed or denied the news.
by Marco Burini [Whole article will be translated as soon as it becomes available]
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 10:44:AM » |
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What will this mean for the priests who are suspended a divinis? Will their suspensions remain in effect or are they also lifted?
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 10:58:AM » |
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Good question. I am hoping and praying that either their suspensions will be lifted or that the Pope will grant them universal jurisdiction. Let's all pray for that.
However, as far as I know, this document will just lift the "excommunications" for the Bishops. The rest of the priests were never excommunicated. Rome admits this. If this is all that happens, then the Society, I presume goes back to its pre-1988 status of being suppressed in the eyes of Rome, but not "schismatic" or "excommunicated". Let's pray Rome clarifies further!
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 12:18:PM » |
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I would doubt that this upcoming announcement will include the juridical structure for the FSSPX but there could be a statement that they have temporary universal jurisdiction until such time as further details are worked out. The important point, I think, is the stigma of the excommunications will have been removed.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 01:33:PM » |
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If by "doctrinal discussions" the SSPX means annulling parts of Vatican II, they will never be regularized. If they want "clarifications" on certain passages that definitively put the problematic parts of the Council into a Traditional context, there's hope.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 01:38:PM » |
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If by "doctrinal discussions" the SSPX means annulling parts of Vatican II, they will never be regularized. If they want "clarifications" on certain passages that definitively put the problematic parts of the Council into a Traditional context, there's hope. I think they would settle for precise condemnations of erroneous interpretations with an anchoring of the documents of Vatican II to previous Magisterial texts in order to guide the proper interpretation.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 01:51:PM » |
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Saturday's the Day!!!!!!!!!! This just in:
We have the confirmation from well-informed Vatican co-workers: Press-Information about the possible lifting of the excommunication of the FSSPX bishops on SATURDAY!
The report in german:
http://www.kath.net/detail.php?id=21916 HMiS, can you translate for us?
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 02:00:PM » |
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I ran the German website through a web translator.. KATH.NET exclusively: Vatikan will publish a statement on Saturday for the possible abolition of the Exkommunikation of the four bishops of the Piusbruderschaft Vatikan (kath.net) The Vatikan will publish an explanation on Saturday for the possible abolition of the Exkommunikation of the four bishops of the Piusbruderschaft. This was definitely confirmed KATH.NET on Friday afternoon by Vatikanmitarbeitern. Over contents of the explanation there is however at present still no reliable information. The four bishops Fellay, Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta were exkommuniziert 1988 by the Vatikan, because them without agreement of Rome von Marcel Lefebvre, to which ermeritierten archbishop by Tulle, to bishops were dedicated. With the illegal consecration was also Antonio de Castro Mayer, which emeritierte bishop von Campos, who had tightened itself thereby the Exkommunikation as act punishment.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 02:40:PM » |
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If by "doctrinal discussions" the SSPX means annulling parts of Vatican II, they will never be regularized. If they want "clarifications" on certain passages that definitively put the problematic parts of the Council into a Traditional context, there's hope. I think they would settle for precise condemnations of erroneous interpretations with an anchoring of the documents of Vatican II to previous Magisterial texts in order to guide the proper interpretation. That would be absolutely fantastic. Lets put an end to this nonsense once and for all.
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Well, it would be just like you to drag your keyboard to a gunfight. "I know very well that without God's grace there is nothing good in me, and that I am as much a piece of useless, stinking sh** as anyone else, if not more." the Cardinal of Mainz and Chancellor of the Holy Roman Empire, 1521 "The media have no idea what a real Catholic is. If they did, they would scream for his martyrdom, they would scream for his skin."-His Eminence, Bishop Williamson, 2005 This is it, boys, this is war. "Oh wait, I almost forgot. This thread is locked because it's stupid." -Quis
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