SaintSebastian
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« Reply #80 on: January 24, 2009, 10:23:PM » |
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For a work with such a depth of symbolism and meaning, it's a pity it's so ugly (imho).
This is the problem with modern art. In very many cases of ugly churches (not all of course--not sure about this one in particular--it seems odd), the general intention of the architect and/or artists is quite orthodox and good. The problem is, modern art is by its nature subjective. It represents a personal expression rather than an objective expression. For example, here are two paintings of essentially the same thing--a bouquet of flowers: modern artmore traditional artNotice one is ugly and the other is not--yet both have the same object of expression. In many cases, the designers of ugly churches are intending to express the same thing as those who designed beautiful churches, they just do it in such a way that is so subjective and personalized most people will not be able relate to it. |
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« Reply #81 on: January 25, 2009, 01:34:AM » |
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Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints! Traditional Catholicism is one step closer to reclaiming its proper place in the hearts of men (and women of course  )! |
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I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
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« Reply #82 on: January 25, 2009, 01:49:AM » |
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Does this mean that SSPX priests now have jurisdiction and going to confession to an SSPX or independent priest will be valid? |
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« Reply #83 on: January 25, 2009, 02:03:AM » |
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SSPX priests still do not have ordinary jurisdiction that I know of. They claim to have supplied jurisdiction for confessions and at least one mainstream Catholic apologist (on EWTN no less) agrees. http://www.scripturecatholic.com/tradissues_qa.html#sspx |
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« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2009, 02:03:AM » |
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Does this mean that SSPX priests now have jurisdiction and going to confession to an SSPX or independent priest will be valid? Going to a priest for confession in a state of necessity has always been valid. See BOOK VI. of Canon Law: SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH LIBER VI. DE SANCTIONIBUS IN ECCLESIA. |
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I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
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« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2009, 10:58:PM » |
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I wish I were in LA. I'd nail a copy of this on the door of Mahoney's Cathedral. It would probably burst into flames. What a great day for the Church. |
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« Reply #86 on: January 26, 2009, 12:54:AM » |
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It seems people have a rather "party atmosphere" about this.
We have to keep in mind these things: whichever Pope is appointed is God's Will; that Pope serves one purpose or another; he is the successor of St. Peter; at the end of the day, what he says goes. If the Pope says stop what you are doing and wash his car, then you do it. I realise that is a facetious example but there it is.
The four bishops were excommunicated because Lefevebre (himself extreme, if you will) appointed them against the Vatican's wishes.
One of the bishops- Williamson- has rather disturbing and erroneous views on the Holocaust. If he was as knowledgeable as some claim, he wouldn't make such statements and surely wouldn't make them on TV. This has nothing to do with his being excommunicated, however.
One of Williamson's posts does not seem- at least to me- humble. He found himself in the Church's good graces again. He's been given a second chance and should be damn grateful for it.
That being said, I don't think religious dialogue should be one party having their hat handed to them. I wouldn't let the Muslims tell me what's what or anyone else. The Holy Father thought it best to deal with these four bishops and he did. It wouldn't matter what was said or done anyway because the press by and large thinks the Catholic Church is screwy.
I also don't think this is about traditional forms of the Mass. All the press cares about is the antisemitism angle but given their gushing love for Hamas I don't think they really care. I also think Bishop Williamson's woeful lack of knowledge of the historical facts of the Holocaust doesn't do him credit. None of that matters as that was not the reason why he was excommunicated. Red herring, it is.
Just some thoughts.
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« Reply #87 on: January 26, 2009, 07:17:AM » |
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It seems people have a rather "party atmosphere" about this.
We have to keep in mind these things: whichever Pope is appointed is God's Will; that Pope serves one purpose or another; he is the successor of St. Peter; at the end of the day, what he says goes. If the Pope says stop what you are doing and wash his car, then you do it. I realise that is a facetious example but there it is.
The four bishops were excommunicated because Lefevebre (himself extreme, if you will) appointed them against the Vatican's wishes.
One of the bishops- Williamson- has rather disturbing and erroneous views on the Holocaust. If he was as knowledgeable as some claim, he wouldn't make such statements and surely wouldn't make them on TV. This has nothing to do with his being excommunicated, however.
One of Williamson's posts does not seem- at least to me- humble. He found himself in the Church's good graces again. He's been given a second chance and should be damn grateful for it.
That being said, I don't think religious dialogue should be one party having their hat handed to them. I wouldn't let the Muslims tell me what's what or anyone else. The Holy Father thought it best to deal with these four bishops and he did. It wouldn't matter what was said or done anyway because the press by and large thinks the Catholic Church is screwy.
I also don't think this is about traditional forms of the Mass. All the press cares about is the antisemitism angle but given their gushing love for Hamas I don't think they really care. I also think Bishop Williamson's woeful lack of knowledge of the historical facts of the Holocaust doesn't do him credit. None of that matters as that was not the reason why he was excommunicated. Red herring, it is.
Just some thoughts.
I disagree with Bp. Williamson's view of the Holocaust and 9/11. However, niether are a matter of doctrine. I read somewhere that his opinion of the Holocaust were not considered in the lifting of the excommunications. I think this is a beautiful thing for the Church. |
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« Reply #88 on: January 26, 2009, 12:15:PM » |
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This news made my week! :D It was lovely, after high Mass yesterday the Magnificat was sung and the bell was rung throughout. |
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"Lookin' down through a tide of no return
Is a field where the crops no longer grow
Parched is the land, strangled an' be damned
There for the Grace Of God Go I"
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SaintSebastian
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« Reply #89 on: January 26, 2009, 07:09:PM » |
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... 39. Raven Eating Man's Liver
Learn more about the ARTIST.Yeah... that's my particular favorite. I mean, just the thought of a raven eating a man's liver makes me *tingle* with Catholicism.  I am reminded of St. Bernard's critique of some crazy churches in his time: "What is the point of this ridiculous monstrosity, this shapely misshapenness, this misshapen shapeliness? What is the point of those unclean apes, fierce lions, monstrous centaurs, half-men, striped tigers, fighting soldiers and hunters blowing their horns? In one place you see many bodies under a single head, in another several heads on a single body. Here on a quadruped we see the tail of a serpent. Over there on a fish we see the head of a quadruped. There we find a beast that is horse up front and goat behind, here another that is horned animal in front and horse behind...Good Lord! If we aren't embarrassed by the silliness of it all, shouldn't we at least be disgusted by the expense?"  |
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