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Author Topic: So the first modern nation to offer Jews full citizenship was the USA.  (Read 800 times)
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« on: January 26, 2009, 10:11:AM »

Hmmm. You know, the full fledged support for Israel, the koshered food supply, the circumcized population, the inability to offend or criticize Jews in any manner without a frozen stare, the complete domination of our media and elite universities, much of our business & finance ("Happy Holidays," not "Merry Christmas"), and the complete absence of Jesus Christ from the public sphere...it's starting to add up. I'll bet influencial European Jews bank rolled this radical nation with quite a different intention from the Pilgrims who saw this land as Christian: a messianic kingdom. It makes a mockery of those who call this nation "racist," or Christian, which by giving the Jews equal treatment, it clearly wasn't.

And here is George Washington, freemason extrordinaire, sending a letter to Jews: The source is called the Jewish Virtual Library:


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“To Bigotry No Sanction,
to Persecution No Assistance”
George Washington's Letter to the
Jews of Newport, Rhode Island
(1790)

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On August 17, 1790, Moses Seixas, the warden of Congregation Kahal Kadosh Yeshuat Israel, better known as the Hebrew Congregation of Newport, Rhode Island, penned an epistle to George Washington, welcoming the newly elected first president of the United States on his visit to that city. Newport had suffered greatly during the Revolutionary War. Invaded and occupied by the British and blockaded by the American navy, hundreds of residents fled, and many of those who remained were Tories. After the British defeat, the Tories fled in turn. Newport’s nineteenth-century economy never recovered from these interruptions and dislocations.

Washington’s visit to Newport was largely ceremonial—part of a goodwill tour Washington was making on behalf of the new national government created by the adoption of the Constitution in 1787. Newport had historically been a good home to its Jewish residents, who numbered approximately 300 at the time of Washington’s visit. The Newport Christian community’s acceptance of Jewish worship was exemplary, although individual Jews such as Aaron Lopez and Isaac Elizer were unable to obtain full political equality as citizens of Rhode Island. The Jews of Newport looked to the new national government, and particularly to the enlightened president of the United States, to remove the last of the barriers to religious liberty and civil equality confronting American Jewry.
Moses Seixas’s letter on behalf of the congregation – he described them as “the children of the Stock of Abraham” – expressed the Jewish community’s esteem for President Washington and joined “with our fellow citizens in welcoming [him] to New Port.” The congregation expressed its pleasure that the God of Israel, who had protected King David, had also protected General Washington, and that the same spirit which resided in the bosom of Daniel and allowed him to govern over the “Babylonish Empire” now rested upon Washington. While the rest of world Jewry lived under the rule of monarchs, potentates and despots, as American citizens the members of the congregation were part of a great experiment: a government “erected by the Majesty of the People,” to which they could look to ensure their “invaluable rights as free citizens.”
Seixas expressed his vision of an American government in words that have become a part of the national lexicon. He beheld in the United States “a Government which to bigotry gives no sanction, to persecution no assistance—but generously affording to All liberty of conscience, and immunities of citizenship: - deeming every one, of whatever nation, tongue or language equal parts of the great Governmental Machine: – This so ample and extensive federal union whose basis is Philanthropy, mutual confidence, and public virtue, we cannot but acknowledge to be the work of the Great God, who ruleth the Armies of Heaven, and among the Inhabitants of the Earth, doing whatsoever seemeth [to Him] good.”

Seixas closed his letter to the president by asking God to send the “Angel who conducted our forefathers through the wilderness into the promised land [to] conduct [Washington] through all the difficulties and dangers of this mortal life.” He told Washington of his hope that “when like Joshua full of days, and full of honour, you are gathered to your Fathers, may you be admitted into the Heavenly Paradise to partake of the water of life, and the tree of immortality.”

Not surprisingly, it is Washington’s response, rather than Seixas’s epistle, which is best remembered and most frequently reprinted. Washington began by thanking the congregation for its good wishes and rejoicing that the days of hardship caused by the war were replaced by days of prosperity. Washington then borrowed ideas – and actual words – directly from Seixas’s letter:

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for giving to Mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens.

Washington’s concluding paragraph perfectly expresses the ideal relationship among the government, its individual citizens and religious groups:

May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit under his own vine and fig tree, and there shall be none to make him afraid.

Washington closed with an invocation: “May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy.”

The letter, a foundation stone of American religious liberty and the principle of separation between church and state, is signed, simply, “G. Washington.” Each year, Newport’s Congregation Kahal Kadosh Yeshuat Israel, now known as the Touro Synagogue, re-reads Washington’s letter in a public ceremony. The words deserve repetition.
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 11:50:AM »

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Hmmm. You know, the full fledged support for Israel, the koshered food supply, the circumcized population, the inability to offend or criticize Jews in any manner without a frozen stare, the complete domination of our media and elite universities, much of our business & finance ("Happy Holidays," not "Merry Christmas"), and the complete absence of Jesus Christ from the public sphere...it's starting to add up. I'll bet influencial European Jews bank rolled this radical nation with quite a different intention from the Pilgrims who saw this land as Christian: a messianic kingdom. It makes a mockery of those who call this nation "racist," or Christian, which by giving the Jews equal treatment, it clearly wasn't.

Are you *friggin* kidding me?
Yes, the Jews killed America.  They've made it so bad.  It wasn't rampant secularism or rampant atheism.  No, it was the Jews.  

It was only recently (post-WWII) that things went down the crapper for America.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 12:13:PM »

The "koshered food supply" ? Go into a supermarket or a restaurant some time and see how many pork products are for sale! Besides, a significant portion of Jewish people in America don't even keep kosher anymore.
Seriously, learn how to deal with your own problems, instead of claiming everything bad in your life is someone else's fault.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 12:40:PM »

Not that I support his larger point, but there is some truth to the claim of the koshering of processed foods. Few American restaurants are kosher in a meaningful sense, as they use the same utensils for pork, the same dishware for meat and milk dishes, etc., but processed food is a different story. There has been a steady move away from the use of pork byproducts in processed food, as well as the mixing of animal derivatives and dairy. Just recently, Oreos were reformulated in accordance with halacha. Companies obtain kosher certification at their own cost. A friend's uncle, a dairy farmer in Tennessee, has a rabbi come in to certify the milk as cholov yisroel.

Just look at processed foods and see how many times you can find the OU ideogram, a K for kosher, or "parve."

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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 05:38:PM »

I love Jewish food.  Bagels, gefilta fish, lox, smoked salmon. Blini,   Most if it is just east European food with a Kosher twist. I'm pretty sure the Jews of biblical times weren't dinning on whitefish and chicken soup.  They probably ate something similar to a middle eastern diet of dates, figs, rice, etc... The Jews who migrated around Poland in the middle ages seemed to have picked up the local delicacies and then exported them throughout the world with their emigration to foreign lands.

 My Italian family members always look down in disgust at how I can eat such salty and "cheap" cuisine.  However it dosen't bother me, I'm used to a certain amount of ridicule in my life
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 06:24:PM »

Claudia Roden's The Book of Jewish Food is a great cookbook with recipes from Ashkenazic, Sephardic, and Mizrahic Jewry. I just ate some rice and red lentils prepared in the manner of the Bukharan Jews. Delicious.

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 06:30:PM »


http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/show_single_post?pid=5321251&postcount=43

I didn't even know about this until I read Vox's post back in 2005.

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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 08:29:PM »

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I love Jewish food.  Bagels, gefilta fish, lox, smoked salmon. Blini,

Don't forget matzoh!
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 05:00:AM »

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Quote from: Robb
I love Jewish food.  Bagels, gefilte fish, lox, smoked salmon. Blini,

Don't forget matzoh!

Matzoh? Flavorless crackers? That's your idea of great eating?
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 12:47:PM »

Isn't anyone going to tell the marilyn monroe matzoh story?
When Marilyn was married to Arthur Miller (Jewish), she ended up having matzoh ball soup almost everyday. So, finally she asked him, "Isn't there any other part of the matzoh you can eat"?
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O God, forasmuch as without Thee
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