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Telemaque
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2009, 01:49:PM »

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Well, the SSPX is "medieval". But is that really a bad thing for the Catholic Church? Middle Ages, "hey-day" of the Church?


This isn't the Middle Ages.  The SSPX is not "medieval", and the Catholics who lived after the Renaissance and before Vatican II are not "medieval."

Catholics in 1958, a large proportion who are alive today, were not "medieval."

They believe in eternal truths - which do not belong to epochs of history but to all time.
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2009, 01:58:PM »

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moderate Jews

thats an oxymoron if i ever heard one


Anybody else getting sick of the Jews and their never ending bellyaching?

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columba
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2009, 02:31:PM »

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This isn't the Middle Ages.  The SSPX is not "medieval", and the Catholics who lived after the Renaissance and before Vatican II are not "medieval."

Catholics in 1958, a large proportion who are alive today, were not "medieval."
I prefer Baroque over Doo Wop Gold. Smile

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They believe in eternal truths - which do not belong to epochs of history but to all time.
The True Church is ever young. VII folk mass songs are becoming passe.
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Tim
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2009, 03:39:PM »

I believe that the philosophical point of contention is being avoided. It is obvious in the present age that the follower of Christ ought not to persecute those of the Jewish faith. It is also historically established in the Church that the Old Covenant was indeed an arrangement with the Almighty. However, the idea of Jesus as the Messiah is not received by the Jewish believer. There will always be a problem agreeing between the two communities; This might not be a bad thing...it can help keep everyone honest.
I am somewhat confused as to the motives of both the bishop and those responding...
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7HolyCats
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2009, 03:59:PM »

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This isn't the Middle Ages. The SSPX is not "medieval", and the Catholics who lived after the Renaissance and before Vatican II are not "medieval."

Maybe the werent, but they should have been.

If you take "medieval" to just mean a certain abitrary periodization of history, obviously not.

But if you take it as a set of foundational philosophical principles and psychological outlooks that were the reason that era was defined as medieval in the first place (ie, they were the cause of the Age and not the other way around)...then Catholicism is inherently medieval, and I certainly consider myself to be.

Medieval is a mindset, a culture, an organic and holistic set of attitudes. It is an all encompassing paradigm, and inasmuch as we can recapture it, it is the one we should have, as it is by definition the one formed by the full blossoming of the Church and Christianity into all spheres of life, public and private. There were many external things only accidental to it, but at it's core it is identical with the Faith.
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2009, 04:24:PM »

7HolyCats, I did not mean it as a certain abritrary periodization of history. Smile Second definition is correct.
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columba
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2009, 05:05:PM »

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There will always be a problem agreeing between the two communities;
That's putting it lightly.

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This might not be a bad thing...it can help keep everyone honest.
Catholics will need to start being honest with themselves again but deception has always been a hallmark of this "problem."
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Catholicmilkman
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2009, 05:30:PM »

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Notice that the Rabbi continually insists on Vatican II in its entirety being upheld and not just a simple reaffirmation against anti-semitism. Very odd for a non-Catholic to have such a vested interest in so many documents having nothing to do with Judiasm. This gives him away.
Well, okay, then I guess he wants us to preach the Gospel to him and his people. I'll do that anytime he wants. Hey, it's what Vatican II says.
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