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SaintSebastian
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2009, 03:13:PM »

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If prayer is worthless while you're in mortal sin then why does my 1962 missal contain prayers to say before the Sacrament of Confession?

It wouldn't make sense to pray before Confession if you're prayers are worthless while in a state of mortal sin.


I think those who are saying they are "worthless" mean they do not increase one's merit. Prayer, good works, etc. are only meritorious when done in the state of sanctifying grace. However, prayer simply to petition God still has great worth in regards to obtaining what is being sought (such as the actual grace to make a good confession).
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2009, 03:13:PM »

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CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

Prayers in the state of mortal sin cannot be meritorious, but they can certainly be part of the necessary preparation by Actual Grace for your soul's (re-)justification into the state of habitual grace.

So true. When one falls into a state of mortal sin, one should pray fervently for contrition and to return to a state of grace. Prayer is never worthless but it can be without merit.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2009, 03:15:PM »

 
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If prayer is worthless while you're in mortal sin then why does my 1962 missal contain prayers to say before the Sacrament of Confession?

It wouldn't make sense to pray before Confession if you're prayers are worthless while in a state of mortal sin.

Exactly. They arent meritorious, but that doesnt mean they cannot be a necessary preparation for justification motivated by an Actual Grace. In fact, that's what they usually are.

However, LaRoza has an interesting point about prayers other than those to be restored to sanctifying grace. Obviously, you cannot pray for an increase in hope or charity or the Gifts of the Spirit when you dont even have them at all.

But when it comes to prayers for external things, for other people, the Poor Souls, or even temporal benefits...well, that makes some assumptions about the theology of causation vis a vis prayer...but I dont think God is going to punish someone else or hold back something He was going to do anyway just because you are in a state of mortal sin. The prayer itself (motivated by Actual Grace possibly) may even be attributed the causation, for whatever that's worth. But you personally wont merit an increase in grace and glory for it.
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2009, 03:23:PM »

The Second Degree Of Prayer: The Prayer Of Sinners

Another degree of prayer is that of those who are weighed down by the guilt of mortal sin, but who strive, with what is called dead faith, to raise themselves from their condition and to ascend to God. But, in consequence of their languid state and the extreme weakness of their faith, they cannot raise themselves from the earth. Recognising their crimes and stung with remorse of conscience, they bow themselves down with humility, and, far as they are removed from God, implore of Him with penitential sorrow, the pardon of their sins and the peace of reconciliation.

The prayers of such persons are not rejected by God, but are heard by Him. Nay, in His mercy, He generously invites such as these to have recourse to Him, saying: Come to me, all you that labour, and are heavily laden, and I will refresh you, of this class was the publican, who, though he did not dare to raise his eyes towards heaven, left the Temple, as (our Lord) declares, more justified than the Pharisee.


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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2009, 03:24:PM »

Someone asked this very question on this forum a while back. The Catechism of Trent expounds very well on this very issue.


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The Highest Degree Of Prayer: The Prayer Of The Just

 

What, then, is the best manner and the most exalted degree of prayer? It is that which is made use of by the pious and the just. Resting on the solid foundation of the true faith, they rise successively from one degree of prayer and virtue to another, until, at length, they reach that height of perfection, whence they can contemplate the infinite power, goodness, and wisdom of God; where, too, they are animated with the assured hope of obtaining not only those blessings which they desire in this life, but also those unutterable rewards which God has pledged Himself to grant to him who piously and religiously implores His assistance.

 

Soaring, as it were, to heaven, on these two wings, the soul approaches, in fervent desire, the Divinity; adores with supreme praise and thanksgiving Him from whom she has received such inestimable blessings; and, like an only child, animated with singular piety and profound veneration, trustfully tells her most beloved Father all her wants.

 

This sort of prayer the Sacred Scriptures express by the words pouring out. In his sight, says the Prophet, I pour out my proyer, but before him I declare my trouble. This means that he who comes to pray should conceal or omit nothing, but pour out all, flying with confidence into the bosom of God, his most loving Father. To this the Sacred Scriptures exhort us in these words: Pour out thy heart before him, cast thy care upon the Lord. This is that degree of prayer to which St. Augustine alludes when he says in that book entitled Enchiridion: What faith believes, that hope and charity implore.

 

 

The Second Degree Of Prayer: The Prayer Of Sinners

 

Another degree of prayer is that of those who are weighed down by the guilt of mortal sin, but who strive, with what is called dead faith, to raise themselves from their condition and to ascend to God. But, in consequence of their languid state and the extreme weakness of their faith, they cannot raise themselves from the earth. Recognising their crimes and stung with remorse of conscience, they bow themselves down with humility, and, far as they are removed from God, implore of Him with penitential sorrow, the pardon of their sins and the peace of reconciliation.

 

The prayers of such persons are not rejected by God, but are heard by Him. Nay, in His mercy, He generously invites such as these to have recourse to Him, saying: Come to me, all you that labour, and are heavily laden, and I will refresh you, of this class was the publican, who, though he did not dare to raise his eyes towards heaven, left the Temple, as (our Lord) declares, more justified than the Pharisee.

 

 

The Third Degree Of Prayer: The Prayer Of Unbelievers

 

A third degree of prayer is that which is offered by those who have not as yet been illumined with the light of faith; but who, when the divine goodness illumines in their souls the feeble natural light, are strongly moved to the desire and pursuit of truth and most earnestly pray for a knowledge of it.

 

If they persevere in such dispositions, God, in His mercy, will not neglect their earnest endeavours, as we see verified by the example of Cornelius the centurion. The doors of the divine mercy are closed against none who sincerely ask for mercy.

 

 

The Lowest Degree Of Prayer: The Prayer Of The Impenitent

 

The last degree is that of those who not only do not repent of their sins and enormities, but, adding crime to crime, dare frequently to ask pardon of God for those sins, in which they are resolved to continue. With such dispositions they would not presume to ask pardon from their fellow­man.

 

The prayer of such sinners is not heard by God. It is recorded of Antiochus: Then this wicked man prayed to the Lord, of whom he was not to obtain mercy. Whoever lives in this deplorable condition should be vehemently exhorted to wean himself from all affection to sin, and to return to God in good earnest and from the heart.

 

 


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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2009, 04:33:PM »

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The Second Degree Of Prayer: The Prayer Of Sinners

Another degree of prayer is that of those who are weighed down by the guilt of mortal sin, but who strive, with what is called dead faith, to raise themselves from their condition and to ascend to God. But, in consequence of their languid state and the extreme weakness of their faith, they cannot raise themselves from the earth. Recognising their crimes and stung with remorse of conscience, they bow themselves down with humility, and, far as they are removed from God, implore of Him with penitential sorrow, the pardon of their sins and the peace of reconciliation.

The prayers of such persons are not rejected by God, but are heard by Him. Nay, in His mercy, He generously invites such as these to have recourse to Him, saying: Come to me, all you that labour, and are heavily laden, and I will refresh you, of this class was the publican, who, though he did not dare to raise his eyes towards heaven, left the Temple, as (our Lord) declares, more justified than the Pharisee.


Catechism of the Council of Trent
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2009, 06:09:PM »

I have prayed for things in mortal sin and received what I asked for.

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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2009, 06:15:PM »

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I have prayed for things in mortal sin and received what I asked for.



God's Mercy is not to be underestimated.
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2009, 06:39:PM »

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Is there any point in praying if one is in a state of mortal sin?

It's never wrong to pray.

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2009, 09:53:PM »

Correct me if I'm wrong but, if you have perfect contrition for your sins, aren't you forgiven of mortal sin and therefore have sanctifying grace restored to your soul, immediately?  

As long as you plan on going to confession as soon as possible, won't your good works, in the meantime, have merit?
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