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Bonifacio
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2009, 10:50:AM »

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Kasper, a former companion of the pope now somewhat saddened by his friend, has since submitted his letter of resignation.

Has this been confirmed?

God willing!
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2009, 05:06:PM »

I posted this elesewhere but here is another spiegel gem:


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http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,606660,00.html
WILLIAMSON'S COLLEAGUES UNDER FIRE

SSPX in Germany Criticized over Anti-Semitic Statements

Bishop Richard Williamson triggered a scandal with his comments denying the Holocaust. Now it has emerged that the German branch of the ultra-conservative SSPX has also made a number of anti-Semitic statements in its publications.

While the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) is trying to practice belated damage control regarding the scandal over Bishop Richard Williamson's comments denying the Holocaust, further information has emerged about anti-Semitism within the German branch of the ultra-conservative Catholic organization.

An SSPX chapel near Hanover: The German branch of the SSPX is under fire over anti-Semitic comments in its publications.
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An SSPX chapel near Hanover: The German branch of the SSPX is under fire over anti-Semitic comments in its publications.

The latest issue of the SSPX's newsletter for German-speaking countries, which has been obtained by SPIEGEL, contains several anti-Semitic statements. "The Jewish people were once the chosen people. But the majority of the people denied the Messiah on his first coming," reads the February issue's cover story, entitled "Signs of the End of the World." According to the newsletter article, this is why the Bible's Gospel of Matthew states, "His blood be upon us and upon our children," a phrase historically used by some Christians to justify anti-Semitism.

The newsletter also states: "And this terrible curse arose. The Jews were expelled from their country, repeatedly rejected and persecuted up until our own time." Therefore, the Jews must "convert as a people to Christ. … Eventually the mercy of God will triumph over the stubbornness and blindness of the Jewish people." The newsletter was only published last week -- long after the controversy over Williamson became public.

The German television station ARD also reported having found anti-Semitic statements in the publications of the SSPX's German branch. According to ARD, an SSPX text published in 2000 contains the following: "There is no doubt that Jewish authors played a significant role in the destruction of religious and moral values during the last two centuries." Another section reads: "The lending of money at high interest rates and the usury practiced in this way (...) made the Jews hated."

"There's some truth in there," the head of the SSPX's German branch, Father Franz Schmidberger, told ARD in an interview. However he said that the SSPX wished to "live together in peace with all people, including the Jews."

Referring to the passage about the Jews converting to Christianity, Schmidberger justified it by saying it was not an ethnic but a religious statement. He told ARD that even Saint Paul talked of "a veil which was over the Jewish people … and which prevented them from recognizing and adopting the Messiah."

The Central Council of Jews in Germany reacted angrily to the revelations. "I was alarmed to discover the SSPX has anti-Semitic attitudes," Vice President Salomon Korn said. Admittedly the statements in the SSPX's German publications could not be compared to Williamson's denial of the Holocaust, he said, "but Williamson is the tip of the iceberg."

The basis for the SSPX's ideas were ancient prejudices against Jews, he said. "Genocidal anti-Semitism grew on the basis of this religious approach, which is now centuries old. And this kind of thinking is responsible for the Nazis' crimes against humanity."

ARD also discovered that Schmidberger had said in an October 2001 speech that a desecration of a cross where, for example, an arm is torn off the figure of Christ, is objectively a greater sin than the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. In the interview with ARD, the priest confirmed this statement and defended it. Reacting to the interview, the spokesman of the German Bishops' Conference, Matthias Kopp, said the statement was unacceptable.

The SSPX in other countries has been taking steps to dampen the scandal caused by Williamson's comments. On Monday, Williamson was removed from his position as head of a seminary in Argentina. The Web page of SSPX in the US has also removed an article arguing that Jews are guilty of deicide for killing Jesus. The page was viewable as recently as last Friday.

The scandal over Holocaust denial erupted at the end of January when Pope Benedict XVI lifted the excommunication of four SSPX members, including Williamson. At the time he took the step, the pope was apparently unaware of Williamson's views on the Holocaust nor was he aware of the interview with Swedish television. The ensuing scandal has seriously damaged the reputation of the Catholic Church in Germany and elsewhere.

Last week, Benedict called on Williamson to retract his views on the Holocaust. In an interview with SPIEGEL, however, Williamson rebuffed the pope, saying that he first had to study the issue. He said he was planning on reading "Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers" by Jean-Claude Pressac. "Historical evidence is at issue, not emotions," Williamson told SPIEGEL. "And if I find this evidence, I will correct myself. But that will take time."

On Monday, Jewish leaders in the US said after meeting with top Vatican officials that they were optimistic about Vatican-Jewish ties. A group of American Jewish leaders will meet with Pope Benedict XVI in person on Thursday to commend him for his "firm stand" on Williamson, the Associated Press reported.

With reporting by Peter Wensierski

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Rita
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 06:02:PM »

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What a tempest in a teapot.  All the media are ignoring key facts:

- the November interview for Swedish television was made available just before the Pope lifted the excommunications (what a coincidence!)
- the Pope had not heard about the interview when he lifted the excommunications
-the Superior of the SSPX, Bp.Fellay, has issued a statement repudiating Bp. Williamson's views about the Holocaust
- the Pope has done the same, and more
- Bp. Williamson has been removed from duty and he has promised to read other histories of the Shoah and, if he's convinced he was wrong in what he said before, recant and apologize.  He'd be dishonest to recant now if he still believes what he said he believes, no matter how wrong his beliefs are.  I expect he will recant and apologize or leave the SSPX or be sacrificed (forced to leave) by the SSPX and/or the Vatican.

What do the people who are so "outraged" really want?  For Bp. Williamson to be burned at the stake?  I think the Church's enemies know in their hearts that this is a tempest in a teapot but delight in promoting anything they think might destroy the Church. The Church will not be destroyed by this or any other "scandal" hyped by the media. 



This is getting absurd.  I have made a nearly identical comment on the Catholic Match forums.  My thought was if he rubbed broken glass on his face and threw himself into a vat of boiling oil they still would not be happy.  Now that you have given me the idea of "burned at the stake" I will have to add it to my next comment to these UNCatholics which was going to include disembowlment.  Seriously, nothing will make these people happy and the reason it won't is because they are so threatened by Bp. Williamson and the SSPX they want to keep the focus on this one issue.

They are terrified of the truth and a Catholic church that quits lollycoddling its enemies.  They know that if Rome truly starts working with the SSPX, the Pope will have a small army encouraging him against all of the enemies of the Church and many of the liberal, confused ideologies that came out of VII will be shown for what they really are and it will be the end for them.

They can not stand up to the real truth which they are shaking in their boots is coming and so they try to divert, delay and hide.  Anything to divert the focus to something, anything but what they are really afraid of.  This is war and the good Bp. Williamson is as he said he is....nothing more than a tool to get to or attack the Pope and SSPX. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2009, 06:34:PM »

This last one is over the top. Holocaust revisionism was specious and not worth dying over.

But the conversion of the Jews and preaching the real Gospel is where we can draw line and basically stand our ground and damn the consequences. Their indifferentist one world order intolerance for any dogmatic faith is now rearing its ugly head.

Hey guess what? Jews think WE are going to Hell because we're not Jews. Is this not correct? At least we give them a chance if they convert.

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2009, 06:41:PM »

Rita,

You are correct. They are obsessed with anti-semitism. They see anti-semitism around every corner. Their basic point is really that Christianity itself is anti-semitic. When it gets to the point where you can't say the Jews need to convert without being "anti-semitic" we have reached 1984 stage.

This is truly the last straw. We must take on these wolves and destroy their false asumptions and smears. Williamson should not have even talked to Speigel. The Vatican should put their rag on the Index (if it still exists) as anti-Catholic hate speech. Williamson should have granted an exclusive to Speigel's biggest competitor.

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2009, 07:10:PM »

Stevusmagnus, 

This is what scares me. 

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Their basic point is really that Christianity itself is anti-semitic. When it gets to the point where you can't say the Jews need to convert without being "anti-semitic" we have reached 1984 stage.

They might as well come right out and say it...our faith offends them and we must come around to their way of thinking or we will cease to exist.  2 + 2 = 5...it is what "we" say it is.

The Index is gone...somewhere in the giant garbage can post VII. 


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StevusMagnus
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2009, 07:15:PM »

Exactly. What they are really saying is that the Catholic faith is a hate crime.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2009, 07:36:PM »

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Exactly. What they are really saying is that the Catholic faith is a hate crime.

Yes and it will get worse than this and soon the Pope and the rest of the bishops will have to choose: renounce the faith or stop bending to them.
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2009, 08:20:PM »

I honestly think that for the time being there will be compromise with the International Jewry. The Church is too weak to confront them.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2009, 08:32:PM »

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I honestly think that for the time being there will be compromise with the International Jewry. The Church is too weak to confront them.

Weak in what sense? The Church has the truth, all it has to do is preach it, boldly and without ambiguities.

The early Christians did so, despite the fact that they were "weak" and persecuted by the pagans.
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