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Marius
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« on: February 14, 2009, 01:41:PM »

http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/7456/



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An icon depicting Soviet leader Joseph Stalin has appeared in a church of Leningrad district's city of Strelnya, Novaya Gazeta reported Wednesday.
     
      The church's Beneficiary Evstafy Zhakov said the legend has it that Stalin would often hold discourse with Blessed Matrona of Moscow. And that is the scene depicted on the icon. However, church visitors didn't think it was a good idea and the icon was placed in the church's remote corner.
     
      Beneficiary Zhakov explained that he sees Stalin as one of the nation's fathers, no matter how bad he was. He does not believe Stalin was an atheist.
     
      The recent events are far not surprising though, some suggest even canonizing Stalin. Stalin is believed to be responsible for 20 million deaths.


This on top of an older report concerning a possible canonization of the mass murderer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2445683/Could-Josef-Stalin-be-made-a-saint.html

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The Soviet dictator, who was responsible for the deaths of around 15 million people during his 31-year reign of terror, is in second place in online voting for the Name of Russia competition.

Stalin last week surrendered a narrow lead to Nicholas II in the contest, which is based on the BBC's Great Britons series.

But with a result not expected until the end of the year, the country's Communists are convinced that Stalin will still emerge the victor.

While the poll, conducted by the state run Rossiya channel, has been criticised for allowing multiple voting, there is little doubt that Stalin has undergone a remarkable renaissance in recent years.

Opinion polls regularly name him Russia's greatest post-revolution leader after Vladimir Putin, the prime minister.

The wartime leader's resurgence owes much to the Kremlin, which under Mr Putin's presidency appeared to support a campaign to rehabilitate Stalin, with television documentaries, films and books released in recent years eulogising him.

A newly published history text book, approved by the Kremlin for use in all schools, glossed over the more unappealing parts of Stalin's rule and ultimately concluded that he was the Soviet Union's most successful leader.

"Stalin is the most popular name in Russia," said Sergei Malinkovich, the Communist party leader who is driving the Stalin canonisation campaign.

"The people have forgiven him for the repressions, the collectivization, the elimination of cadres of the Red Army and other inevitable errors and tragedies of those cruel military and revolutionary times.

"Stalin has become the true national leader of Russia. He turned a backward country into an industrial giant."

Yet the idea of tuning Uncle Joe into Saint Joe has so far won little official backing from the Orthodox Church, which was one of Stalin's chief victims.

Seeking to establish atheism as the Soviet Union's official creed, Stalin destroyed thousands of churches and sent tens of thousands of priests to the gulags and their deaths.

Despite the church's reluctance, St Petersburg's Communists are convinced their vision will come to pass. They have already commissioned religious icons depicting Stalin with a halo round his head that have reportedly sold very well around the city.
"By the end of the 21st century, icons of St Josef Stalin will be in every Orthodox Church," Mr Malinkovich said.


Of course, what the article fails to mention is how the Russian "orthodox church" is now run almost entirely by KGB men.
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alaric
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2009, 01:52:PM »

Is there anywhere in Russia that guy isn't in a picture somewhere?

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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2009, 01:54:PM »

I think the 15 million number is low-balling it.
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2009, 01:59:PM »

I don't know, I'm getting to the point where I'd rather have "KGB" men running my Church than Abraham Foxman and his band of shysters.

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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2009, 02:58:PM »

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I think the 15 million number is low-balling it.

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"Stalin has become the true national leader of Russia. He turned a backward country into an industrial giant."
 

If 15 million killed is low-balling, calling the U.S.S.R. under Stalin an "industrial giant" is certainly high-balling.  Who was it back in the 1980s who called the U.S.S.R. "Bangladesh with missiles"? 
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2009, 02:59:PM »

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I don't know, I'm getting to the point where I'd rather have "KGB" men running my Church than Abraham Foxman and his band of shysters.
That is essentially what Stalin did for Russia. He wiped out all the original Bolsheviks (plus several million in collateral damage).
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QuisUtDeus
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2009, 03:20:PM »

Considering he probably wiped out more Jews than Hitler, maybe Foxman and the ADL will go bother the ROC for a while.

Probably not...
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Gabriel
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2009, 03:28:PM »

That is not a holy icon! It is a neo-Soviet propaganda tool.

What a shame!



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QuisUtDeus
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2009, 03:34:PM »

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That is not a holy icon! It is a neo-Soviet propaganda tool.


Of course it's not a true icon.

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What a shame!


It's past a shame.  It's a sacrilege.  The Orthodox have valid Sacraments, so now this abomination may be hung before the Blessed Sacrament with actual holy icons.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2009, 03:45:PM »

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Considering he probably wiped out more Jews than Hitler, maybe Foxman and the ADL will go bother the ROC for a while.

Probably not...
I have often wondered the very same thing myself for a long time.


But ROC wouldn't give shyster Abe and his cabal the time of day.


For the life of me, I don't know why Benedict and Rome does.

Politics above faith I guess.
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