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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2009, 09:45:AM » |
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2009, 10:25:AM » |
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Isn't it odd, though, that the only moment in Judith's life ever represented in paintings is the one immediately after the beheading? There's never a picture of just Judith, all on her own, or even a Judith triumphantly telling her city the good news, she's always got that head in in her hands. |
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2009, 04:41:PM » |
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Isn't it odd, though, that the only moment in Judith's life ever represented in paintings is the one immediately after the beheading? There's never a picture of just Judith, all on her own, or even a Judith triumphantly telling her city the good news, she's always got that head in in her hands. It's a clearly identifiable image, assuming one knows the story, while a portrait of Judith or a painting of her telling her people the good news would not be instantly recognizable. Besides, it's a dramatic scene and portraying the gore is a challenge. |
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2009, 04:44:PM » |
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2009, 04:51:PM » |
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The Edomuret avatar - when seen at full size - is more gruesome and graphic than the Caravaggio one, in my opinion. There are plenty of paintings of Judith with the head after decapitation - which aren't as bad. Since cutting off the head of Holofernes is Judith's claim to fame, I doubt we'll find many portraits without it.  |
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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2009, 05:15:PM » |
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Gruesome subject aside, that's a beautiful painting and I see a potential Halloween costume there. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2009, 05:55:PM » |
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The Edomuret avatar - when seen at full size - is more gruesome and graphic than the Caravaggio one, in my opinion. There are plenty of paintings of Judith with the head after decapitation - which aren't as bad. Since cutting off the head of Holofernes is Judith's claim to fame, I doubt we'll find many portraits without it. Who painted this "Judith," Lisa? There is a somewhat gorier "Judith Slaying Holofernes" by Artemisia Gentileschi in the Uffizi in Florence. It was painted eight years after the one in edomouret's avatar. Here's a link: http://www.artemisia-gentileschi.com/judith4.html |
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2009, 06:27:PM » |
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Who painted this "Judith," Lisa? |
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2009, 06:41:PM » |
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Hmm, I'd say Thompson was influenced by Cranach for that painting. I wonder if he knows it?
I think I've seen the painting of Luther and his wife by Cranach in the Uffizi but the German room is not very impressive after all the Italian art that precedes it, especially coming soon after the Botticelli room. The Durers in the German room are what I remember best. After the first trip I always knew that next we'd go down the hall and see Caravaggio, Titian, Velasquez, a Michelangelo "Holy Family," etc., so my mind would be moving on. Seeing Caravaggio in person is especially stunning.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2009, 06:57:PM » |
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I remember a SSPX priest and myself admiring a nude of Judith in the Chicago Art Institute. He made a comment of how "husky" she looked since the artist painted her with big arms. The artist is Jan Sanders van Hemessen. This might be a pre head slice piece, since she has the sword ready and bag in hand, but his head is lying down as in the drunken sleep. Also, no blood to be seen. Hmm. Definitely the two finger rule does not apply, but did not seem to upset the priest in the least bit.  |
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