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Rosarium
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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2009, 02:40:PM »

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For the Roman Centurion the 'son of God' was almost natural thing, all the Greek chieftains were gods, the ceasar was god. For a Sirian, religion based on the Sumer-Akkad tradition very close to the  monotheism of the Jews  An is the God the rest are demiurgi (probably the equivalent of the Angels). They did not believed the 'sons of gods' living among us. The Magi came to worship the King of the Jews, the frankencise to God is later addition.

They were not one religion. Few took the Roman/Greek myths seriously and they were mainly symbolic (A Roman soldier of that time may have been more likely to follow Mithraism anyway)

Also, Zoroastrianism was monotheistic and in existance at this time.

When it comes to "letters" I'm usually suspicious. They are easily falsified and except letters designed to instruct, like the letters of Paul and the apostles in the Bible, most letters are short lived. I would doubt the authenticity of any letter attributed to Jesus Himself without great proof, and take those supposed written to him with a grain of salt (actually, the entire shaker).

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Credo
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2009, 08:58:PM »

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Sure. It's from a book titled The Twelve. When I return home tonight, I'll post the part of the book dealing with this particular letter.

The following is from C. Bernard Ruffin's The Twelve. I stole the Wikipedia translation of Agbar's letter because I didn't feel like typing the whole thing out. Everything else are the words of Ruffin. As for why this isn't in the Bible, remember S. Jo. writes about how Christ did so many great things that there wouldn't be enough books in the whole world to record it all. Chances are that this letter was left on the cutting room floor, so to speak. Here goes,



"Thomas had one of the most active ministries of any of the Twelve. Eusebius wrote that almost immediately after Pentecost, Thomas was instrumental in evangelizing the nation of Osroene, which lay to the north of Palestine, in what is now eastern Turkey, between the Roman and Iranian Empires. Eusebius cited documents which still existed in his day in the Archive of Edessa, the capitol of Osroene, which described the conversion the conversion of Prince Abgar the Black, who ruled there between A.D. 13 - 50. Among those papers was a transcript of a letter which Abgar had written to Jesus. Abgar was ill with a distemper, impervious to the art of the physicians of his day, and wrote to Jesus that he had heard 'about the cures you perform without drugs and herbs.' He continued,

'I have heard of Thee, and of Thy healing; that Thou dost not use medicines or roots, but by Thy word openest (the eyes) of the blind, makest the lame to walk, cleansest the lepers, makest the deaf to hear; how by Thy word (also) Thou healest (sick) spirits and those who are tormented with lunatic demons, and how, again, Thou raisest the dead to life. And, learning the wonders that Thou doest, it was borne in upon me that (of two things, one): either Thou hast come down from heaven, or else Thou art the Son of God, who bringest all these things to pass. Wherefore I write to Thee, and pray that thou wilt come to me, who adore Thee, and heal all the ill that I suffer, according to the faith I have in Thee. I also learn that the Jews murmur against Thee, and persecute Thee, that they seek to crucify Thee, and to destroy Thee. I possess but one small city, but it is beautiful, and large enough for us two to live in peace.'

According to the papers on file in the Eddesan Archive, Jesus sent Abgar the following reply, orally, through the messenger who had dispatched the letter from the prince: "Happy are you who believed in me without having seen me! For it is written of me that those who have seen me will not believe in me, and that those who have not seen will believe and live. As to your request that I should come to you, I must complete all that I was sent to do here, and, on completing it, must at once be taken up to the One who sent me. When I have been taken up I will send you one of my disciples to cure your disorder and to bring life to you and to those with you."



Ruffin, C. Bernard. 1984. The Twelve: The Lives of the Apostles After Calvary. Huntingto, Indiana: Our Sunday Visitor, Inc. 124-5
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2009, 09:08:PM »

Thanks Credo. That seems highly plausible, even if it isn't historically accurate.

It is very similiar to recorded events in the Bible, when the man sent his servant to Jesus with full faith.

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 09:30:PM »

Anyone have access to the Eddesan Archive to do some research? Think a library card should get us in? Smile

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