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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2009, 10:04:PM » |
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Actually if you are a child of this world and blind to the things of God. then Catholicism is just that. It is bleak and offers you nothing save a stark rigid life. Then why would Martin characterize Catholicism as such? I do understand what he was trying to get at. It's just that he didn't follow up his particular comment with anything. He said Catholicism was terribly drab, and then moved onto a different subject. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2009, 10:29:PM » |
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Actually if you are a child of this world and blind to the things of God. then Catholicism is just that. It is bleak and offers you nothing save a stark rigid life. Then why would Martin characterize Catholicism as such?
I do understand what he was trying to get at. It's just that he didn't follow up his particular comment with anything. He said Catholicism was terribly drab, and then moved onto a different subject.
I think that was a problem of intellect with Fr. Martin. He would often especially in his earlier books, not exactly connect the dots for everyone. Lila Karpf his publisher stated in an audio memorial to him that she had the benefit of long walks and talks with him. She said that he made connections instantly that the average person would not make. She said in the editing process she would often have to go back to him and tell him to flesh ideas out more in order to show the connections. Consequently, his books explode in size in the latter portion of his output usually 600 plus pages compared with the earlier 200 plus pages. |
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Fr. Martin seems quite a bit like a few of the Jesuits who I knew in college. They were a little eccentric, but brilliant. The Jesuits seem to allow exceptional men to pursue their gifts. There was no nonsensing them, they were very disciplined. They were older men, and I'm sorry to hear that the younger ones aren't of the same calibre.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2009, 11:01:PM » |
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You'll find a real perceptiveness and intellectual rigor in the old school Jesuits.
Listen to Fr. Martin or the late Fr. Vincent Miceli give lectures or interviews and you can't help but be impressed with the command of language and subject matter they had, all at the service of souls. The most lofty concepts would be condensed into statements as simple as those in the Pius X catechism or the Penny or Baltimore Catechism.
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2009, 11:21:PM » |
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So I'm wondering what folks on here know about Martin and think about his writings and activities. I have no doubt he cared passionately for the Church but I find much of his literature to be nothing more than pure sensationalism |
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Fr. Martin is the only man who could have been in the know and who has offered the most plausible explanations for most of the dark mysteries fo the 20th century, including the election of Paul VI, the 3rd secret of Fatima and what Pope John Paul II did with it, the satanic atack on the Church, and the choices that the pope following John Paul II will be faced with.
As for his references to Christianity as 'bleak' etc., this was merely a rhetorical device employed by him to clarify the demanding nature of Christianity compared to the illusory promises made by its opponents. He has a certain old-school rhetorical style that might lend itself to misinterpretation, but not much.
He is usually dead on in his characterizations of the Jesuits. He is usually dead on in his characterizations of the New World Order zealots.
It is hard to disagree with him, unless you denigrate him with accusations of the wild kind.
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2009, 02:40:AM » |
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I liked him until I read Decline and Fall of the Roman Church.
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2009, 08:01:AM » |
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I've read a handful of Martin's books-- Decline and Fall of the Roman Church, Hostage to the Devil, and Windswept House--and I'm still undecided about him. I've heard all the rumors about him, and they do feel like mere rumors. But, still, I dunno. Two things especially bother me about Martin. The books seems to have a lot of sensationalism meant only to sell books. I'm thinking particularly of Hostage to the Devil, with all the sex-related stuff and the sensational goings on that seem too much like something right out of The Exorcist. Maybe that's the reality, but it's a lot different from what is presented in Fr. Gabriel Amorth's books on possession. Second is the fact that he gave so many interviews on the Art Bell show. Maybe that's the only place he could get a hearing, but it doesn't help his credibility any to put himself in the company of all those crackpots and weirdos. Still, his books (which are real page-turners) were instrumental in bringing a friend of mine into the Church. M. L. Hearing www.goodcatholicwriting.com |
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2009, 08:15:AM » |
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Exactly this is the way the media is taken over by the anti-christian forces. You can publish through Lulu, with very small audience, or you need publishing house who pays well but requires to serve their reasons. Imho the mixing the evil with the truth is worse than pure evil or no information at all. The only help is prayer, fast,. self denial. laszlo I've read a handful of Martin's books-- Decline and Fall of the Roman Church, Hostage to the Devil, and Windswept House--and I'm still undecided about him. I've heard all the rumors about him, and they do feel like mere rumors. But, still, I dunno. Two things especially bother me about Martin. The books seems to have a lot of sensationalism meant only to sell books. I'm thinking particularly of Hostage to the Devil, with all the sex-related stuff and the sensational goings on that seem too much like something right out of The Exorcist. Maybe that's the reality, but it's a lot different from what is presented in Fr. Gabriel Amorth's books on possession. Second is the fact that he gave so many interviews on the Art Bell show. Maybe that's the only place he could get a hearing, but it doesn't help his credibility any to put himself in the company of all those crackpots and weirdos. Still, his books (which are real page-turners) were instrumental in bringing a friend of mine into the Church. M. L. Hearing www.goodcatholicwriting.com |
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2009, 08:18:AM » |
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Do you know of any of his relatives still living in Ballylongford? It might be good to get statements from those who knew him if he's ever to be canonized.
I dont know them personally no, but there a few of them still up in Bally, the house is long since gone though, a new road was placed right through it twenty or so years ago.
I know a traditional Catholic family that live in that village ill have a word to them and let you know what they say!
But as far as I know he left Bally as a young man, so I doubt theres many people alive who would remember him.
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