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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2009, 06:37:PM »

And "Da Vinci Code" was also a deliberate attack on Catholicism; it didn't just happen to have Catholic elements.



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« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2009, 07:14:PM »

Here is my one sentence story of the Sound of Music:

Widower with seven children looks for romance and founds it in the governess of his children; evil Nazis force them flee during the honeymoon.

Here is the one sentence story of Maria Agusta Trapp's autobiographical book (The Trapp family singers) as historical reality:

Young candidate for a Benedictine order advised by her superiors to serve God by helping to rise the children of a widower; ten years after their marriage they leave their country and find a new one with.

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
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« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2009, 09:47:PM »

And "Da Vinci Code" was also a deliberate attack on Catholicism; it didn't just happen to have Catholic elements.


It seemed to me like a guy trying to make money, but you could be right.  If you're going to attach a nefarious motive to it, then you need to prove it.
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« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2009, 09:55:PM »

DOGMA wasnt meant as entertainment...it was a deliberate hit piece on or faith, they had no intention of even making money with the filthy rag.......just satanic glee at hurting Holy Mother Church
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Prove it.  Do you have a quote from one of the writers or something?  The writers claim the opposite.  So, your opinion that it is anti-Catholic holds no more weight than the opinion that the SOM is unCatholic.

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The point is despite the wrong headed claims of some who say SOM is a catholic movie, it is not in fact a movie about catholicism at all, but as a catholic I see more (good) catholic principles on display than any supposed ant-catholic subtleties. And granted if there are anti-catholic messages being fostered they are so weak and unsubstantial as to warrent a pass. Golden Compass-Davinci Code-DOGMA- Agnes of God et al......are shotgun explosions to the face of our Faith, wereas SOM is a spit ball through a paper straw. And I could use the SOM at a catachism class to extol many a true and good catholic virtue,many many indeed...whereas the other movies have ZERO virtuous content, despite supposedly Catholic themes...again these moves ARE with full intent movies about CATHOLICISM....SOM is not nor ever intended to be.

Prove that as well.  It's conjecture on your part.  How do you know that the producers of the film didn't want to make subtle inroads against Catholicism?  You can't prove it either way.

And the point is that it's irrelevant.  Whatever the intentions, we can look at the films themselves and find things that are unCatholic, sacrilegious, etc.
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« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2009, 09:56:PM »

Good points, voxpopulisuxx. That's a good prospective on the film( it's critcising her enthusiasim and optimism)I like it. And that's just what I was going to say about Quis' point with 'Dogma' too.

Then your point would be wrong because we don't have to know the motives (which is pure conjecture) to discuss what is in the actual film.
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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2009, 09:56:PM »

If you don't like that movie, there are tons of others we can pick from.  Like that piece of crap Nicole Kidman was in recently that was written by an Atheist (the name escapes me at the moment).
The Golden Compass?



Yes, that's what I was thinking about.
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« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2009, 09:59:PM »

DOGMA wasnt meant as entertainment...it was a deliberate hit piece on or faith, they had no intention of even making money with the filthy rag.......just satanic glee at hurting Holy Mother Church
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The film opens with the following disclaimer:
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    Disclaimer: 1) a renunciation of any claim to or connection with; 2) disavowal; 3) a statement made to save one's own ass; 4) a foresaid word for not being blamed later.

    Though it'll go without saying ten minutes or so into these proceedings, View Askew would like to state that this film is from start to finish a work of comedic fantasy, not to be taken seriously. To insist that any of what follows is incendiary or inflammatory is to miss our intention and pass undue judgment; and passing judgment is reserved for God and God alone (this goes for you film critics too... just kidding).

The filmmakers disagree.  They deny your conclusion.  You can call them liars, sure, but now you're stuck since you went down the road of intentions rather than what is shown in the film.  So, the burden is on you to prove that they are liars.

Or, we can go back to discussing the actual contents of a film instead of examining motives.  Which, interestingly enough, is what +W did - he stuck to the contents of the film completely stripped from assigning a motive.

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« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2009, 05:44:AM »

Did you see the movie dogma?
any way I'll clarify....all of what I posited about intentions is only my opinion. I'm sure since the creators of the film wrote almost a whole paragraph of text stating their intentions was not to defame our faith, ( of course) even employing the homosexuals creed of judge not, only God can judge( of course)-I am forced to conclude that the makers of Dogma have  no other intention of insulting or being any thing but just funny.....now onto the movie.
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« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2009, 06:08:AM »

Did you see the movie dogma?
any way I'll clarify....all of what I posited about intentions is only my opinion. I'm sure since the creators of the film wrote almost a whole paragraph of text stating their intentions was not to defame our faith, ( of course) even employing the homosexuals creed of judge not, only God can judge( of course)-I am forced to conclude that the makers of Dogma have  no other intention of insulting or being any thing but just funny.....now onto the movie.(reader beware adult content)
The film opens with a homeless man on the New Jersey boardwalk being assaulted and severely beaten by three mysterious kids in hockey gear.

Cardinal Glick (George Carlin) gives a presentation at a church telling about the various changes that are going to be made to boost Catholicism's fading image, including a new, more uplifting symbol for Jesus, the Buddy Christ, and a rededication of a century-old church. With a Papal sanction, anybody who enters the church on the day of the rededication ceremony will have all their sins forgiven, and be given a morally clean slate. This catches the attention of two fallen angels, Bartleby (Ben Affleck), and Loki (Matt Damon), when they are sent a newspaper cutting regarding the rededication. Loki was the former angel of death, and Bartleby, a Grigori or fallen angel, talked him into quitting his position, which got them banned from Heaven, to serve an eternity in a place worse than Hell; Wisconsin. Bartleby and Loki are not willing to spend another thousand years in Wisconsin, so they see the plenary indulgence as a loophole to sneak back into Heaven, and after analyzing the situation, the plan seems foolproof. Loki also figures that he can get back on God's good side if he resumes his position as the angel of death, killing people who God would consider sinners, particularly the creators of a hit children's show called "Mooby the Golden Calf." The two set off for New Jersey, killing various people along the way.

We then meet Bethany Sloane (Linda Fiorentino), a Catholic who has been having a crisis of faith since her husband left her after a disease destroyed her uterus and ruined her chances of ever having children. We also meet Azrael (Jason Lee), a demon. We learn that he is in charge of the three kids from the beginning, the demonic Stygian Triplets. He tells them that they need to kill the last Scion. That night, Bethany meets the Metatron (Alan Rickman), an angel who acts as God's messenger, who tells her about Bartleby and Loki's plan to get back into Heaven. It is here where we learn the biggest problem with their plan; if they sneak back into Heaven through the power of the plenary indulgence, they will have proven that God isn't infallible, which would cause existence to be erased. God wants Bethany to stop Bartleby and Loki from entering the church. Through the Metatron He also tells her that she'll have support from two prophets. Bethany is reluctant at first, but realizes over the course of the conversation that the situation is real.

While she gets in her car to go to New Jersey, she is attacked by the Stygians. Just as they are about to kill her, they are beaten up and flee. The heroes turn out to be Jay (Jason Mewes), and Silent Bob (Kevin Smith), two New Jersey drug dealers who came to Illinois in hopes of finding John Hughes fictional town of Shermer. Bethany realizes that they are the prophets that the Metatron told her about. She asks them to take her with them to New Jersey. Jay, thinking Bethany wants to have sex with him, agrees to take her with them.

Jay manages to break down the car by driving too fast in the wrong gear. Stranded in the middle of nowhere, Bethany is just about to head home, when a mysterious man falls out of the sky. The man turns out to be Rufus (Chris Rock), the 13th apostle, who was left out of the Bible because he was black. In exchange for helping the trio stop Bartleby and Loki, he wants to ensure that he is referenced in the Bible and that Jesus' true colour, black, is revealed. He also claims that Jesus still owes him twelve bucks. Jay and Silent Bob then go to a strip club to prove that Jay isn't gay, and the group meet a beautiful muse-turned-stripper named Serendipity (Salma Hayek). Meanwhile, Azrael isn't happy about the Stygian's failure to kill Bethany, so he decides to send something far more powerful.

Bartleby and Loki enter the boardroom of Mooby the Golden Calf's production executives. After pointing out the fatal sins of everyone in the room, Loki shoots and kills everyone in it, sparing only a woman who he claims is innocent.

Following a theological discussion with Serendipity (who claims that God is a woman), the group is attacked by a demon made entirely out of human excrement (the sh** Demon, created from the voided waste of the crucified dead on Golgotha). The demon lays waste to half the people in the club, but is defeated by Silent Bob, with the help of an odor-eliminating spray. The group continues on the road, while Serendipity stays behind to question the sh** demon.

Bartleby and Loki attempt to get on a bus, but are unable to get tickets. They are then confronted by Azrael, who tells them that the people trying to stop them from entering the church intend to kill them, and that they should keep a low profile.

While on a train, Jay and Silent Bob meet up with Bartleby and Loki. Bethany and Bartleby become friends over many drinks and a discussion on why they lost their faith. Bethany, thinking Bartleby is someone else, tells him about their plan to stop him and Loki. Bartleby goes crazy and tries to kill Bethany. Rufus, Jay, and Silent Bob then step in, and throw the angels off the train.

Loki, looking back on what Rufus said about there being serious consequences to their plan, questions whether or not he should go through with their plan. This infuriates Bartleby who has an epiphany about how God showed the humans more patience than he ever showed angels, and how it's unfair that they should be banished to earth for not agreeing with God's plan, while humans should have a choice. He insists that they continue, and kill Bethany and the others.

At the same time, having left the train to throw Bartleby and Loki off their scent, and while camping out in the woods, Bethany questions the increasing seriousness of the situation. She demands to know why she was invested with the task of stopping the angels. Rufus then reveals the truth about Bethany. She is the last Scion, the last living blood relative of Jesus. Bethany finds this information too much, and decides that she can't go through with the mission, cursing God's name. The Metatron then comes down and tells her that Jesus took the news about who he was the same way, but ultimately found the courage to go through with it. Bethany is inspired to continue on the mission.

The Metatron then meets up with the others and tells them that God has gone missing on one of his earth vacations, in which he takes on a human form and goes to earth to play skeeball. The group has no idea how this happened, and are out of ideas on how to stop Bartleby and Loki. Jay then suggests that they go ask Cardinal Glick to cancel the rededication ceremony, therefore rendering the loophole useless. The group meets up with Cardinal Glick, but he doesn't buy their story, and insists that the ceremony takes place as scheduled. He rudely sends them off. Jay retaliates by stealing one of the Cardinal's golf clubs.

As Bartleby and Loki approach New Jersey, Bethany and the others sit in a bar, trying to decide what they should do now. Suddenly, Azrael shows up, along with the Stygian triplets. He kills the bartender, and takes the group hostage, while they wait for Bartleby and Loki to enter the church.

Bartleby and Loki show up at the rededication ceremony. Bartleby then proceeds to tell everybody there that they have all been condemned by God, and that they must now pay for their sins in blood. Forcing the now unwilling Loki to join in, he brandishes his wings, and begins slaughtering everyone at the ceremony.

Azrael tells everyone about his plan; he was once a muse himself, but refused to fight in the war between Heaven and Hell, and was condemned to Hell as a traitor. He spend a few million years trying to find a way to escape from Hell, but realizes that it's impossible. He then discovered the Catholics plan to make the church a passage of forgiveness on that day. Unable to become human and go through with the loophole himself, he decided to lure Bartleby and Loki into the church and cause them to destroy existence. He says that he'd rather not exist than go back to Hell, and is more than willing to take everyone down with him if it means never going back. Silent Bob then picks up the golf club that Jay stole from the cardinal and threatens Azrael with it. Azrael, believing the challenge to be a stupid decision, and allows Silent Bob to hit him with it. Strangely enough, the golf club kills Azrael. Demons can only be defeated using an instrument of God, and the Cardinal blessed his clubs for a better game. Using this knowledge, Bethany blesses the sink behind the bar, and the team drown the Stygians in the holy water. The group then leaves for the church.

When they get to the church, they find the scene of Bartleby and Loki's bloody massacre, but since they still exist, they conclude that they haven't yet entered the church. Loki then shows up, drunk, and with his wings cut off, making him human. When confronted about the mass slaughter, Loki says that it was all Bartleby's idea, and that he didn't want to go through with the killing. Bartleby then comes down and tells the group that he was waiting for them to arrive before they entered the church. Serendipity tries to tell him that Azrael was just using him, but he is already aware. Bartleby's mission is no longer to go back to Heaven. Finding God's treatment of angels compared to humans unfair, his goal is now to destroy existence, which he feels is a failed experiment. Loki tries to talk Bartleby out of it, and Bartleby is disappointed in him. Bartleby stabs and kills Loki, presumably sending him to Hell. The group then attacks and tries to stop Bartleby. Jay tries to help by shooting off his wings, only to learn that he just made him human.

Bethany, who heard in the news about the homeless man who was beaten by the Stygians at the beginning, realizes that the man is God, and if she takes Him off life support, God would be able to come down and stop Bartleby. She goes to the hospital, and unplugs the man's life support system, which releases God from the body. However the force of God's spirit exiting the body is so powerful, it kills Bethany.

Bartleby opens the doors to the church, only to find God (Alanis Morrisette) and the Metatron standing at the door. Upon seeing God and realizing that he has failed, Bartleby sobbingly apologizes. The Metatron then tells everyone who isn't from another plane of existence to cover their ears. They do it, and God opens her mouth, causing Bartleby's head to explode.

Existence is saved, and everyone is happy. Silent Bob then brings out Bethany's dead body, which God instantly repairs and revives. Bethany wakes up, and is happy that everything is okay. Jay is confused as to what is going on, and God responds to Jay's profane outburst by kissing him, causing him to faint. Bethany thanks God for everything, and her faith is restored. The Metatron then reveals that Bethany is pregnant (God's repair was characteristically complete), before taking Rufus and Serendipity with him and God back to Heaven. As the film ends, Bethany tells a shocked Jay that she's to be a mother, and that they can't have sex. Jay replies that it would be safe up until the third trimester.
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« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2009, 06:13:AM »

SOM(of course):
The widowed, retired Austrian naval officer, Captain Von Trapp (Christopher Plummer) has made his Austrian home one of overly restrictive and harshly enforced discipline, one that, most unintentionally, causes his seven children to be underfed when it comes to joy and love. Being a nun living in a convent is similarly restrictive and unfulfilling for Maria (Julie Andrews), who breaks rules to try to change it. The reverend mother (Peggy Wood) decides that Maria, who is not cutting it as a nun, should leave and take on a job as governess at the nearby Von Trapp household in Salzburg.

Through music and various outings, Maria gives the children a taste of a more fulfilling, joyous, life than they have ever known, and they come to love her very dearly. The Captain grows closer to his children, too, coming to understand the value and beauty of the freedoms that Maria has given them. Ironically, the freedom of all Austrians to live their lives to the fullest is in danger, for it is 1938, and Germany is marching into Austria. The Captain is a patriot, passionate about the fulfilling life that Austria has always offered its citizens.

In his personal life, the Captain is having a romance with a wealthy, cultivated, and lovely Baroness (Eleanor Parker), but he is becoming more and more captivated by Maria, and is falling in love with her, and she, too, feels growing affection for him. She is a nun, however, and unschooled in dealing with the situaiton. Frightened by the developments, Maria runs back to the convent, where the reverend mother convinces her that she must face, rather than run from, the situation, causing Maria to return to the Captain's home. It seems, though, that she is too late, learning that the Captain and the Baroness have become engaged.

The Captain, who had surely concluded that he could never have Maria for a wife, confides to the Baroness that he loves Maria, but the Baroness admits she had sensed it long ago, and the engagement is called off. The Captain and Maria marry, but an ugly situation befronts them upon return from their honeymoon -- the Captain has been summoned, in a telegram, by the Third Reich to serve in its navy.

Due to the Captain 's unwillingness to serve the Third Reich, the Captain and Maria resolve to leave Austria, and, after escaping the pursuit of some Nazi officers, they set out, with the children, for the mountains of Switzerland on foot.
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