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Norbert
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« on: October 21, 2009, 01:26:AM »

Has anyone read the aforementioned encyclical? I was interested to read the latest from the current Holy Father...it's getting a mixed review  from me so far. The basic message seems to be one which i agree with, particularly the idea of truth being essential to the idea of love in the marriage relationship (as pertains to gay "marriage"), but some of the conclusions about VII et all seems suspect.
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AntoniusMaximus
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2009, 02:30:AM »

eh, it is based upon what you are going for.  it was a very mixed encyclical, like you would have some good sections that could make a free marketer happy, then there were some sections that a socialist could root for.  Then there is the whole "world government with teeth" which many people around here cynically say proof of the New World Order, Roswell, aliens, (insert conspiracy theory here).  I cannot fathom how the pope thinks, but I think when he says something like that, it shouldn't be necessary a political world government per se.  If you think what is the biggest problem in developing countries, it is largely two things you have rampant corruption and an unfree economy (due to the corruption and also from lack of infrastructure).  In some ways, I think the Pope is trying to say that instead of pouring money into holes, go out there and help build the roads that will bring products to various markets, fight back against corruption (even though the UN itself is largely the root of it, something hinted at in the Encyclical).

I am just curious to see who was the team that wrote it and where they were from, like my spider senses tell me that a least one Jesuit had his hand on it.  The document itself was supposed to be released last year but was delayed, which tells me it underwent many drafts and discussions and debates.  I think the best parts of the encyclical was about integral human development, and while some of the material slants a little leftward, I think because you have a lot of ancients in there, that are so closed to the ideas of free markets, trade liberalization, etc.  I think BXVI is a bit more open to free markets, I remember he wrote something back in the 80's to that effect, much more so than his precedessor.  BXVI often talks about excessive consumerism, and I agree that it is a problem, as it is just an idol.  you can have capitalism and free markets without being excessive consumers, I think that culture plays an important role in preventing consumerism, however our youths are losing culture quickly due to multiculturalism and also just voluntary migrations (where it is just a single person living in a city away from their hometown and roots).  that is just my 1.4 cents
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Norbert
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2009, 03:21:AM »

eh, it is based upon what you are going for.  it was a very mixed encyclical, like you would have some good sections that could make a free marketer happy, then there were some sections that a socialist could root for.  Then there is the whole "world government with teeth" which many people around here cynically say proof of the New World Order, Roswell, aliens, (insert conspiracy theory here).  I cannot fathom how the pope thinks, but I think when he says something like that, it shouldn't be necessary a political world government per se.  If you think what is the biggest problem in developing countries, it is largely two things you have rampant corruption and an unfree economy (due to the corruption and also from lack of infrastructure).  In some ways, I think the Pope is trying to say that instead of pouring money into holes, go out there and help build the roads that will bring products to various markets, fight back against corruption (even though the UN itself is largely the root of it, something hinted at in the Encyclical).

I am just curious to see who was the team that wrote it and where they were from, like my spider senses tell me that a least one Jesuit had his hand on it.  The document itself was supposed to be released last year but was delayed, which tells me it underwent many drafts and discussions and debates.  I think the best parts of the encyclical was about integral human development, and while some of the material slants a little leftward, I think because you have a lot of ancients in there, that are so closed to the ideas of free markets, trade liberalization, etc.  I think BXVI is a bit more open to free markets, I remember he wrote something back in the 80's to that effect, much more so than his precedessor.  BXVI often talks about excessive consumerism, and I agree that it is a problem, as it is just an idol.  you can have capitalism and free markets without being excessive consumers, I think that culture plays an important role in preventing consumerism, however our youths are losing culture quickly due to multiculturalism and also just voluntary migrations (where it is just a single person living in a city away from their hometown and roots).  that is just my 1.4 cents

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glgas
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2009, 06:25:AM »

that is just my 1.4 cents

It is obsoleted with many  generations. The stamp for first class mail below one ounce cost 44 cents.  If my memory still works even when I came to this country it was 16 cents.  9The 'just my 2 cents represented the price of the regular postal stamp]
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 09:26:AM »

A letter was 0.02 to send in the mail and a postcard was 0.01.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2009, 09:25:PM »

I check this blog out every so often. There was a series going on the encyclical that seems to have stalled out. Maybe he'll finish it at some point. Anyways, the theory on the "new world order" bit was something I hadn't seen anywhere else.

http://popinainteasy.blogspot.com/search/label/Caritas%20in%20Veritate
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2009, 10:31:PM »

We had a pretty lively discussion on it.  My conclusion was that it was really bad.

"C i V Contra Augustine" http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3422581.0.html

Main thread, 11 pages  http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3422482.0.html

Weakens Living Wage doctrine: http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3422511.15.html
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glgas
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2009, 06:27:AM »

I check this blog out every so often. There was a series going on the encyclical that seems to have stalled out. Maybe he'll finish it at some point. Anyways, the theory on the "new world order" bit was something I hadn't seen anywhere else.

http://popinainteasy.blogspot.com/search/label/Caritas%20in%20Veritate

When I was young and fresh the saying was accepted as all human knowledge: 'Tempora mutatuntur and we mutamur in illis'. The global dependence in entirely new thing, and this requires a new order, which has to be Christian and not Adolf Hitler's new order. (I always wonder why the George Bushes choose the same word as the infamous Fuhrer without explanation).
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