The Catechism of the Catholic Church

[JayneK]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church which was coordinated by Cardinal Ratzinger who is now our Pope Benedict XVI. We have no problems with its clarity. However if one needs to use the Roman Catechism, you can find sins of speech against charity there as well.

I agree.  As far as the topic of speech is concerned, the CCC is clear and obviously in continuity with Tradition.  It can easily be confirmed with the Roman Catechism.  I also agree with you that this area of sin does tend to be overlooked.  I've really been working on it in my own life.  I suspect that setting a good example is more effective than explicit exhortation.  Or perhaps only certain people have the gifts necessary to exhort others effectively.  I don't think that I could.

[RalphKramden]

I agree with Ros, anything can be sinful if done maliciously.
I can't even begin to worry about sarcasm...I've got too many much greater sins to worry about. That reminds me..go to confession.
I've got a newflash...we live in a fallen world that's run by sinners (99.9% of whom don't care at all about Our Lord) so each and every sin is present if you just look for it. Start looking around for sloth, you'll find it or envy, you'll find it, or look for pride, you'll find it, etc.

You do know this a traditional Catholic forum right? (hint hint nudge nudge)

you are so subtle, I don't think that's a sin is it

As to the CCC, I'd say it's fine to read as it is the current church teaching. One should also remember that the current church is full of gay priests and bishop, mistreats Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, refuses to frequent the sacraments, has almost completely turned its back on the Mass of the Ages, etc. So as for me...I'll take the Catechism of St. Pius X, or even the Baltimore Catechism before I'll put too much stock in the CCC. And before you get mad, no I'm not SSPX or sede or even a real trad as I attend TLM only once per month.

[Plain Catholic]

As to the CCC, I'd say it's fine to read as it is the current church teaching. One should also remember that the current church is full of gay priests and bishop, mistreats Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, refuses to frequent the sacraments, has almost completely turned its back on the Mass of the Ages, etc. So as for me...I'll take the Catechism of St. Pius X, or even the Baltimore Catechism before I'll put too much stock in the CCC. And before you get mad, no I'm not SSPX or sede or even a real trad as I attend TLM only once per month.

Oh aye; and Jesus had Judas, doubting Thomas, Peter who ran away and denied Him. St. Paul had the Corinthians, and so on and so forth. Nevertheless, whatever Catechism is one's preference all of them call us to set and be the higher standard, yes? Ours is a Faith come alive in the way we conduct our lives as examples to the fallen world.

Get mad? Not even close, indeed I appreciate your effort to maintain a courteous response. I started this thread as I have seen posts on this forum complaining about how sarcasm stunts intelligent discussion. Checking on my Roman, my Baltimore and my CCC, all noted sins in speech against charity. It occurs to me that any discussion be it face to face, cyberspace, telephone or written note, all fall under the admonishment to take care in one's dealings with others.

[RalphKramden]

whatever Catechism is one's preference all of them call us to set and be the higher standard, yes?

agreed

Get mad? Not even close, indeed I appreciate your effort to maintain a courteous response.

thanks

Checking on my Roman, my Baltimore and my CCC, all noted sins in speech against charity. It occurs to me that any discussion be it face to face, cyberspace, telephone or written note, all fall under the admonishment to take care in one's dealings with others.

agreed, this is not one of my virtues....my Irish temper will flair at the drop of a hat and my mouth is off and running with me struggling to keep up

[Virgil the Roman]

the Roman Catechism is a universal Catechsim of the Catholic Church. I have both the CCC and the Roman Catechism; the Roman Catechism is a lot more straightfoward.

[Vetus Ordo]

The CCC is the Catechism of the New Church.

Any catholic should avoid it.

[Antonius Block]

I've found it very helpful to read the CCC in conjunction with the Roman and Baltimore Catechisms. The CCC is very dense and occasionally difficult to understand properly, so I've found that turning to earlier catechisms helps shed light on the current official teaching of the Church. It's been encouraging to me, as a convert, to find that what the Church teaches now is essentially in line with what the Church has always taught. Some of the discipline has changed (e.g., the BC says it's not OK to confirm infants in danger of death, the CCC says it's fine), but the essential theological and moral teachings are constant, as far I can discern.

That said, I do agree with some other posters who say the Roman Catechism is easier to understand. The CCC is broken up into a lot of quotes from scripture, Church fathers and councils, the liturgy, etc. The RC, while it's not lacking in citations, is much more internally continuous. It also is very explicit about why it teaches what it does and how priests ought to present the information to the faithful. That is, its pedagogical purpose is more straightforward.

[SouthpawLink]

I used to be much more sarcastic a few years ago than I am now (although I still sometimes tend to use it when I'm angry... it's easier to do than to curse at someone). I also used to always assume that others knew what I knew or what I was talking about (as I considered it to be common knowledge) and was shocked when they didn't. I think I'm somewhat better about not making such assumptions these days. On the other hand, I now other (some greater) sins to deal with. Sorry for the rambling...

As for the Catechism of the Catholic Church, I tend to use it as a last resort (although in the past it was my one-stop, go-to book for Catholic doctrine). Instead, I usually turn to the Baltimore Catechism and the Roman Catechism first, and then to St. Thomas Aquinas, Dr. Ott, and Fr. Tanquerey. I find the new catechism to be a little too wordy. I prefer clear and concise explanations of doctrine.

[Resurrexi]

I really like all the quotations from councils, popes, and saints in the CCC.

[JayneK]

I really like all the quotations from councils, popes, and saints in the CCC.

I agree that this is one of its greatest strengths.  It really was designed as a reference work rather than something to use directly for teaching.  Some of the wordiness is probably due to that.