Fatima Secret Will Discourage Devotees - A Dogma, The Pope, and an Exorcism

[SinfullyLate]

But didn't Sr Lucy say the third secret  was contained in Revelations?

[unknown]

But didn't Sr Lucy say the third secret  was contained in Revelations?

Yes, she's reported to have specifically indicated Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13.  Pope JPII corroborated this on May 13, 2000 when he said the Third Secret was a warning about the Apocalypse and cited Apocalypse chapter 12 during his homily in Fatima.  In his book from the mid '90's, he also said this prophecy was seemingly close to its fulfillment. 

[LaramieHirsch]

Or, better yet -- you could realize that the Book of Revelation has to do with the end of the Jewish Age and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD as the original writer intended.  That would be far better than trying to force symbolic apocalyptic literature into some sort of end-times scenario the way the Fundies do.

Well, I was a bible thumping baptist at one point.  I can't help but to sometimes just read the Bible and believe what it says, outright.

And besides, as SinfullyLate and unknown stated,

But didn't Sr Lucy say the third secret  was contained in Revelations?

Yes, she's reported to have specifically indicated Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13.  Pope JPII corroborated this on May 13, 2000 when he said the Third Secret was a warning about the Apocalypse and cited Apocalypse chapter 12 during his homily in Fatima.  In his book from the mid '90's, he also said this prophecy was seemingly close to its fulfillment. 

...it seems Sr. Lucy considered these parts of the Book of the Apocalypse as...a part of the Apocalypse.

But maybe you're right about the whole dual-prophecy and all that.  Idk.  I was primarily pointing out where in the last book of the Bible we see large fractions of Earthlings dying.

[Arun]

Laramie Hirsch, what version of the Bible have you quoted here, because I have noticed some discrepancies between what you've posted, and the text of my Douay.

[Benno]

I just clicked on the link and saw firstly that the site's called "Before the News" and secondly that "194 people have clicked on this story" (about 10 from here, I'm guessing). I didn't read on.

I reckon I could invent an identity for myself as a mystic and say something about Fatima and get more hits than that! 

[Nic]

Yes, the Catholic Encyclopedia states ALL those points Nic posted as a long-held view among many Catholic theologians. Of course it could be dual prophetic. Personally I'm hoping all that business is done and over with. That means the Antichrist was indeed Nero and we don't have to worry about a future Antichrist. It also means that the Second Coming could happen at any minute - like a thief in the night - as in the days of Noah, just like Jesus said it would in the Gospels. That's another thing. It takes study to know when Jesus is referring to the Second Coming (end of the world) and the Destruction of Jerusalem (the end of the age) in the Gospels. Sometimes the two are not clearly distinguished. But it's always important to remember that when Our Lord (and the Church) refer to the "End Times" it means Pentecost onward. The beginning of the End started with the death and resurrection of Jesus. We are IN the "End Times." For to God a thousand years is as a day, and a day a thousand years.

Indeed.  But, the "Antichrist" is NOT or was never Nero Caesar.  Nero was the "beast of the sea" in the Book of Revelation.  The "Antichrist" is a future psuedo-messianic figure known in the New Testament as the "Man of Sin" and the "Son of Perdition," namely Thessalonians.  Nero may very well be a precursor to the antichrist and indeed an antichrist in his own right (Scripture states that there are many antichrists), but he is not the Antichrist.

[Nic]

Or, better yet -- you could realize that the Book of Revelation has to do with the end of the Jewish Age and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD as the original writer intended.  That would be far better than trying to force symbolic apocalyptic literature into some sort of end-times scenario the way the Fundies do.

Well, I was a bible thumping baptist at one point.  I can't help but to sometimes just read the Bible and believe what it says, outright.

And besides, as SinfullyLate and unknown stated,

But didn't Sr Lucy say the third secret  was contained in Revelations?

Yes, she's reported to have specifically indicated Apocalypse chapters 8 to 13.  Pope JPII corroborated this on May 13, 2000 when he said the Third Secret was a warning about the Apocalypse and cited Apocalypse chapter 12 during his homily in Fatima.  In his book from the mid '90's, he also said this prophecy was seemingly close to its fulfillment. 

...it seems Sr. Lucy considered these parts of the Book of the Apocalypse as...a part of the Apocalypse.

But maybe you're right about the whole dual-prophecy and all that.  Idk.  I was primarily pointing out where in the last book of the Bible we see large fractions of Earthlings dying.

I was also a "Bible-thumping [Southern] Baptist myself, only converted 6 years ago.  To understand the Apocalypse of St. John, one must have a VERY, VERY good understanding of the Old Testament.  There are hundreds of parallels to O.T. prophesies and symbolism.

You stated that at the end of the book "we see a large fraction of Earthlings dying."  I am glad you brought that up.  Throughout the Apocalypse, as is commonly known in Hebrew Apocalypyic literature, the "earth"and the "sea" have very specific meanings.  First off, the word for "earth" in the vast majority of the Apocalypse is "ge" which is WAY better translated as "land."  The Hebrew people always referred to themselves as "the people of the holy land" and the "sons of the earth [land]."  The "sea" most always is a symbol for the gentile nations, the "raging sea" of heathens.  When one replaces all of the "earth's" in the book with either "people of the land" or "Jews," then the book really comes alive.  We see that it was completely fulfilled in the 1st century AD!  Also, many of the "mankind's" in the book should be replaced with "Jewish people," for the Jews thought of themselves as true man who worshipped the true God.

From the "true Jews" who were redeemed from "the earth [the land, i.e Israel]," the "144,000," a symbolic number denoting "True Israel," we see the destruction of Biblical Judaism on every page of this book.  Josephus, the leading authority on the Roman-Jewish War (that lasted 42 months, the 1260 days), tells us that over 1.1 million Jews (aprox. 1/3 of all Jews at the time) were killed during the Seige of Jerusalem (which lasted 5 months!), but not ONE Christian was killed!  Why is that - it is because they heeded the words of Christ in the Gospels (namely Matt. 24), who told them to make for the wilderness after certain signs occurred - AND from reading the letter of St. John - the Apocalypse!  Just as Christ said to the Sanhedrin before he was crucified, "From this day forth you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."  The "clouds of heaven" is a judgement used several times in the O.T. to denote a "judgement coming" of God.  Jesus told the Sanhedrin present that they would see this occur - and they did, in ONE generation (40 years).

Also, we see that in Revelation ch. 14 --  and the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the wine press, as high as a horse's bridle, for one thousand six hundred stadia.  Outside of what city?  Jerusalem.  The blood flowed for 1,600 "stadia," which is aprox. 200 miles, the length of the Holy Land.

I would love to go on about this wonderful book, but I must get to work!   

[McNider]

Or, better yet -- you could realize that the Book of Revelation has to do with the end of the Jewish Age and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD as the original writer intended.  That would be far better than trying to force symbolic apocalyptic literature into some sort of end-times scenario the way the Fundies do.  Remember, what are the first words in Revelation:

THE revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John

If you write down each of the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls and it can be clearly seen that they are just going over the same event in different detail, and in vivid, symbolic apocalyptic style - and that event was the apocalyptic end of the Jewish nation and the beginning of the Kingdom of God on earth.  Jesus told his disciples that a generation would not pass until the Son of Man came in his Kingdom.  Thus, Jesus came in his Kingdom in full with the destruction of the major symbol of Biblical Judaism - the Temple of Solomon.  After this event in 70 AD, perhaps the most important in history save the Resurrection of Christ, the Kingdom of God was established and no longer was there any distinction between Jew or Gentile - now there is only Christian and non-Christian.  That is why, when all of the recapitulation has been done, we are taken to chapter 19, which states that after all of this, the beast (Nero and the Roman Emperors involved in the Great Tribulation) and the False Prophet (the Christian-hating Sanhedrin) were thrown into the lake of fire.  Then Satan was bound for "1,000 years," a symbolic large number denoting the length of the Church Age.  The only history mentioned in Revelation is what takes place AFTER Satan is loosed, the battle of Gog and Magog.

There is just WAY too much evidence to believe otherwise.  Nero Ceasar equaling perfectly in Hebrew gramatica "666."  The Roman-Jewish war lasting exactly 42 months.  The seven-headed dragon representing Rome's emperors (five have fallen - Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Cladius - one that is, Nero - and one that will only be for a short time - Galba, or could be seen as Vespasian with the removal of the three insignificant "emperors" Galba, Otho and Vitellus).  Babylon perfectly represents Jerusalem at the time, which rode the beast (Rome) in order to destroy Christendom.  It also states that the "great city" is the city in which Christ was crucified!  This is just a small taste of the massive amount of evidence that is assurance of the book's meaning.

The Book of Revelation is primarily about this event in history.  Before 70 AD, there was still a Temple.  The book speaks of the Jewish Temple, when John is asked to measure it.  After 70 AD, the Temple is no more.  The major reason why people try to throw the prophesies of this magnificent book 2,000 years into the future is due to the erroneous date prescribed to this book by many scholars.  The evidence shows that this book was NOT written in 95 AD, but between 64-68 AD, which denotes the mood of haste in the book.  The destruction was "at hand," it was imminent.

But, could the prophesies be dual-prophetic as is the case with some Biblical prophesies.  It is possible, but we shouldn't make such assumptions when the clear meaning of the text concerns the end of Judaism and the beginning of the Kingdom of God - the Holy Catholic Church.

How is such a fully preterist view not a novelty? I'm unaware of any Father or Doctor of the Church advocating such views. All took the Apocalypse to refer to future events and the end.

[glgas]

What is the 'Dogma' in this context?

[maso]

Well so far I still haven't read anything new from this anonymous 40 year old man.  Everything he has said is merely parts of other prophecies and biblical outakes repeated.

I'll read his blog from time to time, and if the world breaks down this year then I'll judge he was right.  Whoever "he" is.  After all picking the year it is going to kick off is about the only thing he has committed himself too.  If Jan 1, 2011 comes around and he says Our Lady "averted the chastisement because of our prayers" etc, then I'll know he is a nutter.

Ggreg,
During a prayer, I got the intuition (but possibly I am wrong) that this stuff again is a deception of the Devil like there were many in the past (see for example the famous Mrs Tomkiel).
They are like people who are too often warning about the wolfes and nobody believes them when the wolves are truly here.
The Devil acts in the same way so that people are taken off guard the day when God's wrath will explode.
But in doing so the Devil gives us some good clues that the Fatima's 3rd Secret is not yet fulfilled.
Wait and see, and pray.