Fatima Secret Will Discourage Devotees - A Dogma, The Pope, and an Exorcism

[maldon]

What do you make of his Antichrist-Pope-Shadow-Person thing? Not sure I get it.

[i.p.i.]

I think the weak point is in the last paragraph.  A human war is never going to kill over 4 billion people.  World War II only killed 70 milion people (on the high side) and 4 billion is 55 times that number.

You'd have to nuke every city in the world to kill 2/3rds of mankind with a surprise attack and frankly after that, the world would be so polluted and screwd up that the Chastisement would be just another day at the office.

Assuming he has not been misquoted, then I'm going on the record and writing this guy off as a nutter based on this last paragraph.  He has simply cobbled together a load of ideas from websites and prophecy books and come up with his own theory of future events.  Then he's convinced himself that Mary appeared to him in a vision.  The first three quarters is interesting and fit's roughly with what I think might play out based on world politics and the more reliable and repeated prophecies, but the 2/3rds of mankind dead as a result of a war part is lunacy.

i don't know if this relates at all but i was just reading an article about how abortion is going to lead to chastisement and it said:

In the book of Zacharias, chapter 13, verse 8 and 9, we read in regard to the inhabitants of the earth, "two parts in it shall be scattered and shall perish, but the third part shall be left therein.  And I will bring the third part through the fire and will refine them..."

i haven't got time right now to compare the scripture and its context to what this man has predicted but thought you might be interested.

[ggreg]

If memory serves I believe the first half of that chaper is all about false prophets.

[i.p.i.]

If memory serves I believe the first half of that chaper is all about false prophets.

It's about the Lord of hosts taking away false prophets, destroying the names of idols.


1 In that day there shall be a fountain open to the house of David, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem: for the washing of the sinner, and of the unclean woman. 2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will destroy the names of idols out of the earth, and they shall be remembered no more: and I will take away the false prophets, and the unclean spirit out of the earth. 3 And it shall come to pass, that when any man shall prophesy any more, his father and his mother that brought him into the world, shall say to him: Thou shalt not live: because thou hast spoken a lie in the name of the Lord. And his father, and his mother, his parents, shall thrust him through, when he shall prophesy. 4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be confounded, every one by his own vision, when he shall prophesy, neither shall they be clad with a garment of sackcloth, to deceive: 5 But he shall say: I am no prophet, I am a husbandman: for Adam is my example from my youth.

6 And they shall say to him: What are these wounds in the midst of thy hands? And he shall say: With these I was wounded in the house of them that loved me. 7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn my hand to the little ones. 8 And there shall be in all the earth, saith the Lord, two parts in it shall be scattered, and shall perish: but the third part shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined: and I will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say: Thou art my people: and they shall say: The Lord is my God.

[INPEFESS]

If memory serves I believe the first half of that chaper is all about false prophets.

It's about the Lord of hosts taking away false prophets, destroying the names of idols.


1 In that day there shall be a fountain open to the house of David, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem: for the washing of the sinner, and of the unclean woman. 2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will destroy the names of idols out of the earth, and they shall be remembered no more: and I will take away the false prophets, and the unclean spirit out of the earth. 3 And it shall come to pass, that when any man shall prophesy any more, his father and his mother that brought him into the world, shall say to him: Thou shalt not live: because thou hast spoken a lie in the name of the Lord. And his father, and his mother, his parents, shall thrust him through, when he shall prophesy. 4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be confounded, every one by his own vision, when he shall prophesy, neither shall they be clad with a garment of sackcloth, to deceive: 5 But he shall say: I am no prophet, I am a husbandman: for Adam is my example from my youth.

6 And they shall say to him: What are these wounds in the midst of thy hands? And he shall say: With these I was wounded in the house of them that loved me. 7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn my hand to the little ones. 8 And there shall be in all the earth, saith the Lord, two parts in it shall be scattered, and shall perish: but the third part shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined: and I will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say: Thou art my people: and they shall say: The Lord is my God.

Okay, there it is. I didn't think I was imagining things.

I'm not saying that is going to be a result of what this visionary claims, but I knew that proportion of people was mentioned somewhere in such a way.

[ggreg]

Well so far I still haven't read anything new from this anonymous 40 year old man.  Everything he has said is merely parts of other prophecies and biblical outakes repeated.

I'll read his blog from time to time, and if the world breaks down this year then I'll judge he was right.  Whoever "he" is.  After all picking the year it is going to kick off is about the only thing he has committed himself too.  If Jan 1, 2011 comes around and he says Our Lady "averted the chastisement because of our prayers" etc, then I'll know he is a nutter.

[Iuvenalis]

According to Mr. Puntalangit, there is little time for the world now and he is asking for the faithful to remind each other of their obligations to God and to each other.  We must pray even harder today because we are about to face the most horrifying punishment ever.  "There will be only a third of us today who will survive the wars and revolutions.  Then, out of this third, only a fourth will survive the celestial purging which will occur a few years after the death and victory of the Pope who will succeed Benedict XVI. The Godless wanted only 500 million humans to rule the world. Yes there will be ultimately only 500 million humans to survive the chastisements, but these survivors will not be aetheists but rather God's people.  This is heaven's answer to the Satanists who insist to curb human population to only 500 million."

I thought this sounded familiar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
and
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3067967.0.html

[LaramieHirsch]

I think the weak point is in the last paragraph.  A human war is never going to kill over 4 billion people.  World War II only killed 70 milion people (on the high side) and 4 billion is 55 times that number.

You'd have to nuke every city in the world to kill 2/3rds of mankind with a surprise attack and frankly after that, the world would be so polluted and screwd up that the Chastisement would be just another day at the office.

Assuming he has not been misquoted, then I'm going on the record and writing this guy off as a nutter based on this last paragraph.  He has simply cobbled together a load of ideas from websites and prophecy books and come up with his own theory of future events.  Then he's convinced himself that Mary appeared to him in a vision.  The first three quarters is interesting and fit's roughly with what I think might play out based on world politics and the more reliable and repeated prophecies, but the 2/3rds of mankind dead as a result of a war part is lunacy.

Sheesh guys!  I thought you were Fisheaters!  Where is the 2/3rds proportions and 1/3rds proportions in the Bible?  The Apocalypse, guys!

Basically, the episodes we are all familiar with (which we can all derive from our internet forums, Du Pont, and others) are as follows:

#1 Wars, revolutions, famines, and persecutions
#2 Three Days of Darkness
#3 Short peace, then Antichrist time.
#4 Jesus returns. The End, God wins!

This sequence is foretold without the internet or Catholic media, in the Apocalypse of the Bible, beginning in Chapter 6.  

Seal #1 Wars of conquest
Seal #2 Revolution among men
Seal #3 Scarcity
Seal #4 Generalized Death! (via sword, hunger, death, beasts of the earth)
Seal #5 Martyrs
Seal #6 Cosmic Disturbances (falling stars, receding skies, rich people and commoners wanting to hide in mountains)
Seal #7 This encompasses Seven Trumpets, each containing their own woes, such as Wormwood [3 Days of Darkness?], the two witnesses, among other things, leading up to the antichrist)

When the Grim Reaper appears in Seal #4, it seems like a generalized summary of all the death caused in seals 1-4.  It makes sense that the starvation and pestilence in seal #3 could be caused from the preceding warfare in Seal #1 and #2. 

IN ANY CASE...6:8 says this: And I looked, and behold, a pale horse.  And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him.  And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

So, already ggreg, we have 1/4th of Earth dying here before the Three Days of Darkness.  That's a total of at least 1.5 billion people. 

So, 1.5 billion people are killed by completely man-made actions that would be preventable, technically.

Then, skipping ahead to what I BELIEVE to be the Three Days of Darkness, we move to Trumpet #6 of Seal #7.  Here, we see another third of mankind being killed off.  We could take that 1/3rd from 6 billion, and come to a number of 2 billion people dying.  Or, we can take that from the 5.5 billion people left alive, meaning 1.83 billion people will die. 

Applying these biblical figures to our current population, we will be left with around 2.5 billion people.  That's many times more than what Duke Puntalangit claims (as well as what the Georgia Guidestones claims we should have on earth: 500 million).  However, maybe the Bible is just giving us an approximate number.


For your reading pleasure, I shall attach Revelation 9:13-18.  I believe the "army" being described here is potentially the demons and powers that will inhabit the air during the three days of darkness.


13Then the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14one saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they would kill a third of mankind. 16The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. 17And this is how I saw in the vision the horses and those who sat on them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceed fire and smoke and brimstone. 18A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which proceeded out of their mouths. 19For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with them they do harm. 20The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; 21and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.

[Nic]

I think the weak point is in the last paragraph.  A human war is never going to kill over 4 billion people.  World War II only killed 70 milion people (on the high side) and 4 billion is 55 times that number.

You'd have to nuke every city in the world to kill 2/3rds of mankind with a surprise attack and frankly after that, the world would be so polluted and screwd up that the Chastisement would be just another day at the office.

Assuming he has not been misquoted, then I'm going on the record and writing this guy off as a nutter based on this last paragraph.  He has simply cobbled together a load of ideas from websites and prophecy books and come up with his own theory of future events.  Then he's convinced himself that Mary appeared to him in a vision.  The first three quarters is interesting and fit's roughly with what I think might play out based on world politics and the more reliable and repeated prophecies, but the 2/3rds of mankind dead as a result of a war part is lunacy.

Sheesh guys!  I thought you were Fisheaters!  Where is the 2/3rds proportions and 1/3rds proportions in the Bible?  The Apocalypse, guys!

Basically, the episodes we are all familiar with (which we can all derive from our internet forums, Du Pont, and others) are as follows:

#1 Wars, revolutions, famines, and persecutions
#2 Three Days of Darkness
#3 Short peace, then Antichrist time.
#4 Jesus returns. The End, God wins!

This sequence is foretold without the internet or Catholic media, in the Apocalypse of the Bible, beginning in Chapter 6.  

Seal #1 Wars of conquest
Seal #2 Revolution among men
Seal #3 Scarcity
Seal #4 Generalized Death! (via sword, hunger, death, beasts of the earth)
Seal #5 Martyrs
Seal #6 Cosmic Disturbances (falling stars, receding skies, rich people and commoners wanting to hide in mountains)
Seal #7 This encompasses Seven Trumpets, each containing their own woes, such as Wormwood [3 Days of Darkness?], the two witnesses, among other things, leading up to the antichrist)

When the Grim Reaper appears in Seal #4, it seems like a generalized summary of all the death caused in seals 1-4.  It makes sense that the starvation and pestilence in seal #3 could be caused from the preceding warfare in Seal #1 and #2. 

IN ANY CASE...6:8 says this: And I looked, and behold, a pale horse.  And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him.  And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

So, already ggreg, we have 1/4th of Earth dying here before the Three Days of Darkness.  That's a total of at least 1.5 billion people. 

So, 1.5 billion people are killed by completely man-made actions that would be preventable, technically.

Then, skipping ahead to what I BELIEVE to be the Three Days of Darkness, we move to Trumpet #6 of Seal #7.  Here, we see another third of mankind being killed off.  We could take that 1/3rd from 6 billion, and come to a number of 2 billion people dying.  Or, we can take that from the 5.5 billion people left alive, meaning 1.83 billion people will die. 

Applying these biblical figures to our current population, we will be left with around 2.5 billion people.  That's many times more than what Duke Puntalangit claims (as well as what the Georgia Guidestones claims we should have on earth: 500 million).  However, maybe the Bible is just giving us an approximate number.


For your reading pleasure, I shall attach Revelation 9:13-18.  I believe the "army" being described here is potentially the demons and powers that will inhabit the air during the three days of darkness.


13Then the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14one saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they would kill a third of mankind. 16The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. 17And this is how I saw in the vision the horses and those who sat on them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceed fire and smoke and brimstone. 18A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone which proceeded out of their mouths. 19For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with them they do harm. 20The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; 21and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts.

 

Or, better yet -- you could realize that the Book of Revelation has to do with the end of the Jewish Age and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD as the original writer intended.  That would be far better than trying to force symbolic apocalyptic literature into some sort of end-times scenario the way the Fundies do.  Remember, what are the first words in Revelation:

THE revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John

If you write down each of the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls and it can be clearly seen that they are just going over the same event in different detail, and in vivid, symbolic apocalyptic style - and that event was the apocalyptic end of the Jewish nation and the beginning of the Kingdom of God on earth.  Jesus told his disciples that a generation would not pass until the Son of Man came in his Kingdom.  Thus, Jesus came in his Kingdom in full with the destruction of the major symbol of Biblical Judaism - the Temple of Solomon.  After this event in 70 AD, perhaps the most important in history save the Resurrection of Christ, the Kingdom of God was established and no longer was there any distinction between Jew or Gentile - now there is only Christian and non-Christian.  That is why, when all of the recapitulation has been done, we are taken to chapter 19, which states that after all of this, the beast (Nero and the Roman Emperors involved in the Great Tribulation) and the False Prophet (the Christian-hating Sanhedrin) were thrown into the lake of fire.  Then Satan was bound for "1,000 years," a symbolic large number denoting the length of the Church Age.  The only history mentioned in Revelation is what takes place AFTER Satan is loosed, the battle of Gog and Magog.

There is just WAY too much evidence to believe otherwise.  Nero Ceasar equaling perfectly in Hebrew gramatica "666."  The Roman-Jewish war lasting exactly 42 months.  The seven-headed dragon representing Rome's emperors (five have fallen - Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Cladius - one that is, Nero - and one that will only be for a short time - Galba, or could be seen as Vespasian with the removal of the three insignificant "emperors" Galba, Otho and Vitellus).  Babylon perfectly represents Jerusalem at the time, which rode the beast (Rome) in order to destroy Christendom.  It also states that the "great city" is the city in which Christ was crucified!  This is just a small taste of the massive amount of evidence that is assurance of the book's meaning.

The Book of Revelation is primarily about this event in history.  Before 70 AD, there was still a Temple.  The book speaks of the Jewish Temple, when John is asked to measure it.  After 70 AD, the Temple is no more.  The major reason why people try to throw the prophesies of this magnificent book 2,000 years into the future is due to the erroneous date prescribed to this book by many scholars.  The evidence shows that this book was NOT written in 95 AD, but between 64-68 AD, which denotes the mood of haste in the book.  The destruction was "at hand," it was imminent.

But, could the prophesies be dual-prophetic as is the case with some Biblical prophesies.  It is possible, but we shouldn't make such assumptions when the clear meaning of the text concerns the end of Judaism and the beginning of the Kingdom of God - the Holy Catholic Church.

[StrictCatholicGirl]

Yes, the Catholic Encyclopedia states ALL those points Nic posted as a long-held view among many Catholic theologians. Of course it could be dual prophetic. Personally I'm hoping all that business is done and over with. That means the Antichrist was indeed Nero and we don't have to worry about a future Antichrist. It also means that the Second Coming could happen at any minute - like a thief in the night - as in the days of Noah, just like Jesus said it would in the Gospels. That's another thing. It takes study to know when Jesus is referring to the Second Coming (end of the world) and the Destruction of Jerusalem (the end of the age) in the Gospels. Sometimes the two are not clearly distinguished. But it's always important to remember that when Our Lord (and the Church) refer to the "End Times" it means Pentecost onward. The beginning of the End started with the death and resurrection of Jesus. We are IN the "End Times." For to God a thousand years is as a day, and a day a thousand years.