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« on: March 15, 2010, 06:23:PM »

This is from a baptist, one part of an e-mail, there is so much has to be addressed in it that I have no idea where to start. other perspectives would be helpful.


This is true communion, eating the body and drinking the blood of the LORD JESUS CHRIST!! John 6 is a wonderful chapter to read on this subject, but I would call your attention particularly to John 6:57, which reads: “As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me”  .  That word ‘so’ sets up a parallelism.  Jesus says that as He was sent by The Father, and lives by Him.  In the same way, as we eat of the LORD, so we will live by Him.  The parallel concepts are Jesus ‘being sent’ by God the Father and us ‘eating’ God the Son.  Being sent = eating.

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 07:47:PM »


John 6:57 ... reads: “As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me”  .  That word ‘so’ sets up a parallelism.  Jesus says that as He was sent by The Father, and lives by Him.  In the same way, as we eat of the LORD, so we will live by Him.   The parallel concepts are Jesus ‘being sent’ by God the Father and us ‘eating’ God the Son.  Being sent = eating.


Though this may seem like a valid argument at first glance, it's got a major problem.  This implies that the processions in the Trinity can be A) understood on human terms, and are B) applicable to human relations.  Jesus, the Logos, was sent by the Father; they are One.  We partake of the Eucharist - eat of the Lord (Latin: manducat = to eat; to chew) - and, through this unity, we become, in a certain sense, one with Christ in the Mystical Body of the Church.  But because we do not proceed from the Father as the Divine Logos does, we cannot equate Christ's "being sent" by the Father to our "eating" Christ's Body and Blood in the Eucharist.  I'm no Bible scholar, but it seems as though a better argument for interpretation of this passage might be to say that Christ desires us to be one with Him and with each other as He and the Father are One. (John 17:11)  Because we are humans (read: not God), we cannot relate to God the way the Father and the Son relate to each other.  We cannot equate relations in the Godhead with a relation between the Logos and man.

Does this make sense?  Hope it helped.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 02:06:PM »

Can it be said that we procced from the father with Christ via our union with his body?
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2010, 12:00:AM »

Sorry for the delayed response...

Can it be said that we proceed from the father with Christ via our union with his body?

Again, tempting, but nope Smile  Sure, when we receive the Eucharist, we receive the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ.  This does not somehow make us God, or make us equal to God.  Procession in the Trinity refers to how the three Persons relate to the others.   St. Basil says in Against Eunomius that "[the early Church fathers] admit that the Son and the Holy Ghost are logically and ontologically connected in the same way as the Son and Father", and this is our understanding of Procession.  (See New Advent on Procession: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06073a.htm)

All of that being said, I'm not sure I'm seeing the connection between this question and the original.  Seems like you've deviated from the original purpose, which was the connection between Christ being sent by God and the Eucharist.
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