No3456
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« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2010, 05:23:PM » |
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Thus, what I hear you saying is, ALL experiences can be sanctified so that the "Believer" receives Salvation, REGARDLESS HOW LOW THE BEHAVIOR GOES. But if the "Believer" doesn't GET the "correct beliefs," then .....  s/he is or is NOT in relation with God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit? EEWC |
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SouthpawLink
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« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2010, 07:12:PM » |
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Thus, what I hear you saying is, ALL experiences can be sanctified so that the "Believer" receives Salvation, REGARDLESS HOW LOW THE BEHAVIOR GOES. But if the "Believer" doesn't GET the "correct beliefs," then ..... s/he is or is NOT in relation with God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit? EEWC I do not understand what you mean here: "All experiences can be sanctified so that the believer receives salvation, regardless of how low the behavior goes." - My response is: Behavior has very much to do with our salvation (Cf. Matt. 25). We must adhere to the law of Christ if we are to truly be His disciples. "You are my friends, if you do the things that I command you" (John 15:14). As for our relationship with God, yes, correct beliefs matter because God Himself has revealed them. Faith involves believing in God and that which He has revealed. Moreover, our beliefs guide our behavior. They also influence and even form our view of world, especially as to its purpose. Finally, I cannot speak to the culpability of non-Catholics for not holding the Catholic Faith. That is between them and God. I'm not their judge. What I do know, however, is that the Catholic Faith is the true faith, and that it is necessary for salvation. |
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"It preaches that not only in civil affairs, which is not Our concern here, but also in religion, God has given every individual a wide freedom to embrace and adopt without danger to his salvation whatever sect or opinion appeals to him on the basis of his private judgment. The apostle Paul warns us against the impiety of these madmen" (Pope Leo XII, Ubi Primum, n. 12).
"Likewise, peace is rooted in respect for religious freedom, which is a fundamental and primordial aspect of the freedom of conscience of individuals and of the freedom of peoples. It is important that everywhere in the world every person can belong to the religion of his choice and practise it freely without fear" (Pope Benedict XVI, Address to Five New Ambassadors, 18 May 2006).
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No3456
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« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2010, 07:22:PM » |
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You have told me what I came here to find out.
Do Catholics have an awareness of what is TRUE NOW?
The answer is, sadly, not a clue.
Do you settle differences, or simply refer back to PREVIOUS WARS as a rationalization for more WARS in the present?
Invested in past, EN TOTO.
There is no way an Anglican can in good conscience merge with these backward ideological obsessions.
It's been nice knowing you. I'll check out now.
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« Reply #63 on: April 19, 2010, 07:34:PM » |
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No3456
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« Reply #64 on: April 19, 2010, 07:54:PM » |
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May God Almighty rebuke you.
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devotedknuckles
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« Reply #65 on: April 19, 2010, 07:58:PM » |
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Snore
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This is the journey
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SouthpawLink
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« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2010, 08:37:PM » |
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You have told me what I came here to find out.
Do Catholics have an awareness of what is TRUE NOW?
The answer is, sadly, not a clue.
Do you settle differences, or simply refer back to PREVIOUS WARS as a rationalization for more WARS in the present?
Invested in past, EN TOTO.
There is no way an Anglican can in good conscience merge with these backward ideological obsessions.
It's been nice knowing you. I'll check out now.
What is true now... about what? What are you talking about? Which previous wars? And what are backwards ideological obsessions? All I know is that no Catholic in good conscience can accept heresy in order to have some type of superficial unity with non-Catholics. We are bound by our faith in Christ to love you, but truth reigns supreme and so we cannot concelebrate at Holy Mass without being hypocritical, without lying to ourselves. May God grant you His light and grace. |
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"It preaches that not only in civil affairs, which is not Our concern here, but also in religion, God has given every individual a wide freedom to embrace and adopt without danger to his salvation whatever sect or opinion appeals to him on the basis of his private judgment. The apostle Paul warns us against the impiety of these madmen" (Pope Leo XII, Ubi Primum, n. 12).
"Likewise, peace is rooted in respect for religious freedom, which is a fundamental and primordial aspect of the freedom of conscience of individuals and of the freedom of peoples. It is important that everywhere in the world every person can belong to the religion of his choice and practise it freely without fear" (Pope Benedict XVI, Address to Five New Ambassadors, 18 May 2006).
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devotedknuckles
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« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2010, 08:40:PM » |
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And a good knuck sandwhich
Sip sip
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This is the journey
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« Reply #68 on: April 19, 2010, 08:44:PM » |
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And a good knuck sandwhich
Sip sip
This is classic DK... heh. Blessings to you No3456. May God guide you on your journey and lead you to truth  Pax vobiscum, Jesse |
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littlerose
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« Reply #69 on: April 19, 2010, 09:15:PM » |
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Why was she so upset? "Ciao" is a very kind Italian parting, and the smiley was waving in such a friendly way!  But really, although I felt compelled to keep pushing the basic heresy forward out of consideration for young lurkers once I felt sure she was a troll, I did learn an awful lot. I had a lot of questions about the Mormon heresies and the freemason thing as well as some modern Christian-Israeli politics answered. Now I have a whole new direction for my illumanutty collection. And yet, look at the intense significance of that "stone" (the Stone of Scone) as the "stumbling block" that apparently is placed in front of many Anglicans. That is something to pray about. |
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