The origins of the Koran

[mike6240]

The origins of the Koran

     

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You beat me to it !  That was going to be my answer!  ;D

[HotRod]

Could it be...

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[PilgrimageofGrace]

http://www.legionofstlouis.com/booklist.htm

ISLAM: The Hidden Truth
23 pp. $3.50 [/b]



This exceptional booklet summarizes what is known about Islam, and more importantly, what is not known.

The historical existence and role of Mohammed
The pre-7th century existence of Mecca
The alleged connection between Islam and the author of the Koran

Why be educated about Islam?

It is a grave threat to what is left of European civilization

The pressure from Roman Catholic officials to respect Muslims as "people of the book" demands an honest answer to the question: "What about Islam are we being told to respect?"
 

During an official meeting on Islamic-Christian dialogue, an influential Muslim, who was addressing the Christians taking part, stated quite calmly and with assurance: "Thanks to your democratic laws, we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws, we will dominate you."

(From the Interventionis in scriptis on 13 October 1999 of His Eminence Mgr Giuseppe Germano Bernardini, OFM, Archbishop of Smyrna, at the Synod of European Bishops.)

Published in 2001 with a short preface by Bishop Williamson.

[devotedknuckles]

Yes and we make a football field over mecca and play with the head of the emir thoise words will ring so true
LoL

[aquinas138]

As I understand it, Crone has backed away from some of the views put forward in that book.  Nevertheless, it remains useful for its excellent bibliography, which was the first serious Western effort to collect a lot of the primary source material.  In particular, that book gathered Syriac chronicles for information on Islam's origins, which had not been grouped together previously.

I am currently studying classical Arabic and reading medieval tafseer (Koranic commentary).  The more I learn about Islam, the more I have no doubt that it has its origins in some heretical Christian sect in Arabia - possibly something like the Collyridians mentioned by Epiphanius of Salamis, a group that believed that the Holy Trinity was the Father, Mary and Jesus - the Holy Spirit being identical with the Archangel Gabriel.  This horrific misunderstanding seems to be what Muhammad himself believed.  The Koran, in relating the stories of Jesus, Mary, Zechariah, John the Baptist, etc., seems to have been influenced by various apocryphal works, especially the Armenian and Arabic Gospels of the Infancy, focusing on fabulous extra-biblical tales.

There are certain doctrines and legends in Islam that to me make it clear that it had its origins as a Christian heresy - the Virgin Birth of Jesus being a Koranic example, but there is also a legend that Satan "kicks" everyone while they are still in the womb - everyone, including Muhammad, except Jesus and Mary (and of course Adam, who was created from the earth).  Is this some corruption of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception?

[devotedknuckles]

I dunno ask ibliss

[Iuvenalis]

As I understand it, Crone has backed away from some of the views put forward in that book.  Nevertheless, it remains useful for its excellent bibliography, which was the first serious Western effort to collect a lot of the primary source material.  In particular, that book gathered Syriac chronicles for information on Islam's origins, which had not been grouped together previously.

I am currently studying classical Arabic and reading medieval tafseer (Koranic commentary).  The more I learn about Islam, the more I have no doubt that it has its origins in some heretical Christian sect in Arabia - possibly something like the Collyridians mentioned by Epiphanius of Salamis, a group that believed that the Holy Trinity was the Father, Mary and Jesus - the Holy Spirit being identical with the Archangel Gabriel.  This horrific misunderstanding seems to be what Muhammad himself believed.  The Koran, in relating the stories of Jesus, Mary, Zechariah, John the Baptist, etc., seems to have been influenced by various apocryphal works, especially the Armenian and Arabic Gospels of the Infancy, focusing on fabulous extra-biblical tales.

There are certain doctrines and legends in Islam that to me make it clear that it had its origins as a Christian heresy - the Virgin Birth of Jesus being a Koranic example, but there is also a legend that Satan "kicks" everyone while they are still in the womb - everyone, including Muhammad, except Jesus and Mary (and of course Adam, who was created from the earth).  Is this some corruption of the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception?

I'd always be careful of such 'historicism' in apologetics, since these same lines of 'logic' (albeit misguided) can and are applied to attack Christendom, from arguing pagan roots of Christian theology and even liturgy, to the 'competing Christianities' of Bart Ehrman, to the 'refutation of the canon' many believe the Qumran texts to be (since they predate the Masoretic texts as well as the Codex Vaticanus Graecus 1209 and Codex Sinaiticus).