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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2010, 09:22:AM » |
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Also, there is a reason why the majority of business offices use PCs....Compatibility.
Not really. If you mean "PC" as in "Windows based computer system", then they use it for non-technical reasons usually. Windows is highly incompatible with itself and Microsoft relies on planned obsolescence to trap users...many businesses use Windows because of an initial decision and now they are trapped. |
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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2010, 09:39:AM » |
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That's what I meant. It's the only thing they're compatible with now, even if it would be more efficient to switch to Linux, the switch itself would be too inefficient.
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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2010, 10:44:AM » |
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Not really. If you mean "PC" as in "Windows based computer system", then they use it for non-technical reasons usually. Windows is highly incompatible with itself and Microsoft relies on planned obsolescence to trap users...many businesses use Windows because of an initial decision and now they are trapped.
That's not really fair at all. Microsoft is better than most at supporting things as long as possible. Mac on the other hand...I have to recode all my stuff every few years, because they keep changing their crap  Also, I'm surprised an FPS fan like yourself considers consoles superior to PCs for games, considering the best FPS control method, mouse and keyboard, is not currently supported on consoles. |
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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2010, 11:33:AM » |
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Okay, I admit I am dating myself by making this analogy, but here goes:
The PC and Mac seem as the VHS and Beta systems were in years past. The VHS had been around for some time and was used in commercial applications when along comes Sony with it's Beta format. The Beta was superior to VHS in many ways, technically, but you really had to look closely at the screen to see a difference. It had superior stereo sound capability and a few other advantages, but then there were the economic issues.
Sony did not allow anyone to produce the Beta heads for production in other-brand systems. If you were Sanyo, for instance, you could make a Beta unit, but you had to buy the heads from Sony.
The VHS system, on the other hand, was out of proprietary restraint and anyone could make the heads and the systems. They were much less expensive to produce and buy. The companies went wild and innovations of the older system came quickly, riveling the quality of the Beta system. Many professional TV producers stuck to Beta and still, VHS dominated the scene.
When digital came around, the whole thing busted. No one wanted either system. Linux is kinda like the 8mm tape systems. They came around later, were better than any tape system out there and even to this day are still used. Try to get an 8mm deck today. The prices have not dropped on them and they are in big demand because they are almost as good as digital quality. Could this be the future for OS's? Could some big technological advance come along that only Linux is swift enough to make that new system really smoke?
Who knows, but I still see a curious similarity in the video systems, an imperfect analogy, I admit, but close, I still maintain. Time will tell.
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« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2010, 08:41:PM » |
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That's not really fair at all. Microsoft is better than most at supporting things as long as possible. Mac on the other hand...I have to recode all my stuff every few years, because they keep changing their crap Microsoft spent 8 years keeping an antiquated system alive, then released a horrible bug ridden system with incompatibility and greatly increased system requirements. People were forced to change and upgrade every single bit of hardware to do this. Microsoft releases software sporadically. Ubuntu gets released every six months, no release is a dud. Every third release has long term support. File formats and other proprietary Microsoft stuff also changes, which forces users to use their "latest" software. Really, all Microsoft does is keep their DOS and NT systems, and sell bug fixes to intentionally written bugs. Also, I'm surprised an FPS fan like yourself considers consoles superior to PCs for games, considering the best FPS control method, mouse and keyboard, is not currently supported on consoles.
Well, maybe I'd think otherwise if FPS games I play were available for my computer. Remember, when I say I use Linux, I mean it. I am not buying a license to use an operating system which can't support dual booting with Linux and I'm not going to wipe my hard disk to set it up. |
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« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2010, 10:23:PM » |
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It's not just games that keep people using Windows. Some of us use specialized software for work that only runs in Windows. I like Linux and have it on dual boot and I don't mind Windows (because I know how to fix the inevitable problems that crop up with only Google as my assistant), but Macs are awful. They're like the Fisher Price toy of the computer world. Plus, Apple's technicians are called "geniuses." That's reason enough to reject Macs. But I agree with Herr that Linux is the best. Only problem is that hardly anyone uses Linux, so that presents a whole host of difficulties when switching over permanently.
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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2010, 08:36:AM » |
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It's not just games that keep people using Windows. Some of us use specialized software for work that only runs in Windows. I like Linux and have it on dual boot and I don't mind Windows (because I know how to fix the inevitable problems that crop up with only Google as my assistant), but Macs are awful. They're like the Fisher Price toy of the computer world. Plus, Apple's technicians are called "geniuses." That's reason enough to reject Macs. But I agree with Herr that Linux is the best. Only problem is that hardly anyone uses Linux, so that presents a whole host of difficulties when switching over permanently.
I do not think Linux is the "best", but that it is best suited for me, and I believe, general desktop use. Solaris and BSD are also very good. I want to use OpenSolaris a bit if I get another computer. I just sold my Thinkpad...so I can't use it on that. More and more use Linux though. It is also being offered by OEMs and it sells. Walmart, Google and many governments promote it. Also, those who are introduced to it, in my experience, do not dislike it and will use it, and about half will prefer it in practice or principle. The person to whom I sold my Thinkpad uses Linux now, for the first concious time (his cell phone uses Android, which is Linux too, but he didn't realise that). He doesn't use it on the Thinkpad, at this time anyway. |
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« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2010, 09:21:AM » |
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All I know is, I tried to switch from a PC to MAC a while back, and there were so many things that I could no longer do on the MAC that save me so much time on a PC. (Yes I know a Mac is a PC, but it is the common nomenclature.. - By PC here of course I am referring to a non-Mac, windows-based system.) Hard to explain in detail here. But each time I would do a google search on how to do x, y, or z on a Mac, and find a blog where someone else had asked, and most often the answer was "you can't" and sometimes, "well, if you do this very complicated series of commands, that would have taken 2 seconds flat on a PC, you might sort of be able to duplicate it." It was taking me way too long (& in some cases was impossible) to do things on a Mac that I could do so quickly and easily on a PC, that we simply returned the Mac.
Also, I have heard everything on a Mac is "intuitive." Argh - I could slap anyone who says this. Maybe it's "intuitive" to someone who's been using a Mac for 20 years. But I find the Windows system much more intuitive. Also I found, when I asked some Mac users live how they did x, y or z, I found that most of them didn't know the easy way to do it like I did on a PC; they didn't seem to know the shortcuts.
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« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2010, 09:31:AM » |
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All I know is, I tried to switch from a PC to MAC a while back, and there were so many things that I could no longer do on the MAC that save me so much time on a PC. (Yes I know a Mac is a PC, but it is the common nomenclature.. - By PC here of course I am referring to a non-Mac, windows-based system.)
What do you call a personal computer running Linux then? Hard to explain in detail here. But each time I would do a google search on how to do x, y, or z on a Mac, and find a blog where someone else had asked, and most often the answer was "you can't" and sometimes, "well, if you do this very complicated series of commands, that would have taken 2 seconds flat on a PC, you might sort of be able to duplicate it." It was taking me way too long (& in some cases was impossible) to do things on a Mac that I could do so quickly and easily on a PC, that we simply returned the Mac.
With the iBook, I found it frustratingly limited. It would be perfect if that were the only thing I've ever known (welcome to the Cult...) or if I happened to like that (fat chance). I do not like default Linux distributions and like to be able to make my system perfect for me. Also, I have heard everything on a Mac is "intuitive." Argh - I could slap anyone who says this. Maybe it's "intuitive" to someone who's been using a Mac for 20 years. But I find the Windows system much more intuitive. Also I found, when I asked some Mac users live how they did x, y or z, I found that most of them didn't know the easy way to do it like I did on a PC; they didn't seem to know the shortcuts.
Yes, the first time I used a Mac, I found it very confusing. I "grew up" (computer-wise) on Linux, so that is what I'm used to. Furthermore, I do not use a floating window manager or a desktop environment at all. The Mac was so foreign to me. I could easily learn how to do things, but that is what "intuitive" is not. |
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« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2010, 11:03:AM » |
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Are there any statistics that show how long people use Linux as their primary OS? I know that when I've tried completely ditching Windows for Linux, I went back to Windows as my primary OS within months.
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