Extraordinary Hours: Pope Reopens File on Third Secret of Fatima

[unknown]

These are part of Pope Benedict's opaque remarks:

"With regard to this great vision of the suffering of the popes, beyond the circumstances of John Paul II, other realities are indicated which over time will develop and become clear."
And with that, he implied that the sexual sin and scandal in the Church was part of the Secret.

Those "other realities" he mentions are various events related to the Apocalypse, as made obvious by the seer herself and comments from others who read it.  And it won't start at chapter 20.  And rather than doing what he can to mitigate it now by performing the consecration and releasing the one page text and doing what's necessary in regard to it, he seems to be saying that he and Cardinal Bertone are going to sit back, get some popcorn, and watch it unfold.  I suppose it can be interpreted another way, but that's just the way I read it.

I'm not a fan of the way he always makes vague, opaque remarks on important and controversial issues, leaving people to read between the lines or try to interpret what he said.  It's like he was saying:
"Oh, look. The sex scandal and sin in the Church happened just as the prophecy said it would.  It's only a matter of time now before the rest of it unfolds."

[DrBombay]

Really?  Ok, when the Blessed Mother appeared in Akita, why didn't she chastise the pope about the 3rd secret and the consecration?  An apparition that was approved incredibly fast, in Church time anyway, should've included some mention of all the foot dragging by the Vatican about Fatima if it was so important, no?

I don't know nor do I speculate why Our Lady of Akita didn't mention the "foot dragging by the Vatican about Fatima" but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It does and it's becoming painfully evident as the revolution goes on.

Yet again, why would God lend Himself to the "trouble" of putting the sun dancing in the sky in front of 70,000 people if Our Lady's message were ultimately unimportant or meaningless to the Church? It doesn't make any sense. Furthermore, Our Lady asked something to be done by the Pope and if it were done, we would have seen the fruits by now.

The fruits are nowhere to be seen. What do you think? Our Lady lied or the Vatican lied?

Fatima is not dogma, friend.  You can't change that.  A little humility and obedience instead of finger wagging at the Vicar of Christ might be in order.  Our Lady cannot order the pope to do anything, nor would she presume to try.  "Do whatever he tells you" would be the operative phrase to keep in mind I believe.   

Perhaps you want to be dismissive of this whole situation to feel more comfortable but I don't.

Fatima is not a Dogma of the Faith but it's a certain supernatural event, worthy of belief, concerning our Faith and the future of the Church and the world. Only a fool or a disbeliever would neglect to give it the importance that it merits. Heaven indeed thinks that it's important and I agree.

And by "neglecting to give it the importance it merits," you mean what exactly?  That I don't spend hours speculating about things that I, nor anyone else, has any way of knowing?  That I don't accuse the Vicar of Christ of being a liar?  That I don't send money to an ankle-biting priest who has had his faculties suspended a divinis?

I'll spend my time, not enough I'm sure, in prayer and penance, as requested by Our Lady.  All else is superfluous and none of my concern.

[Tim]

Our Lady didn't mention anything about Fatima at Akita so she would not effect the free will of the Pope and the Bishops. If the good Doctor is busy with the rosary, doing  penance, five first Saturday etc, (te he te he) he's on our side. Let's not test his pronunciation of shibboleth.
tim

[A Catholic Thinker]

Is there another private revelation that has a feast day in the Church?  I think not.  Of course Fatima is not "dogma" but it is definitely in another category than other private revelation.

Nobody wants to believe the negative things about the hierarchy implied by the hiding of the full Secret, for obvious reasons.  Good Catholics generally don't.  I didn't.  But, unfortunately, the evidence is completely damning (no pun intended).

It is also true that a private "crusade" can become a danger to the spiritual life.  Humility always, prayer always.  But - on the other hand - sometimes we are indeed called to *do* something.

Those who lived in the age of the Arian heresy were not all called to keep their mouths shut.  Had they, the Church would have died.  We are God's instruments on earth.

[QuisUtDeus]

Walty you're probably closer than you think. Do you see how many whacky posters come here to start trouble ? That means this place is a threat to some folks with money. While I can't see HH pope Benedict XVI sitting at the screen, they have a whole lot of seminarians at the switchboard and I'm sure more doing other jobs like monitoring opinion.It wouldn't be much different than a spy at a listening post in the day behind the iron curtain.
tim

I look at it this way, if we're right, and traditionalism really is Catholicism and vice-versa then the end-game of the powers that be is to continue and further the reign of secularism and modernism both in and outside of the Church.  The biggest threat to that is traditionalism and fisheaters is one of if not the largest and most influential websites/"communities" of traditionalists out there.  It's vital to the movement and a source of a lot of information, truth, and spiritual strength.  All I'm saying is that I think we'd be surprised to find out who out there actually keeps an eye on a lot of threads here. 

That might be tin-foil hat stuff, but I don't think so.

If it means anything, yes, we do get visitors from the Vatican domain.

More than likely compiling writs of Excommunication, but...

[RalphKramden]

Is there another private revelation that has a feast day in the Church?  I think not.  Of course Fatima is not "dogma" but it is definitely in another category than other private revelation.

I don't mean to burst your bubble on this one, but ***POP***
The calendar is chalk full of feasts of private revelation. There must be at least a dozen feasts of Our Lady that have a day: Our Lady of         -fill in the blank-         .
Not to mention the feast of the Sacred Heart. Fatima is just that, a private revelation, no catholic is obligated to believe one word of it. In my opinion every catholic should believe it, but I'm not the church and I don't teach with authority (Thank God!).

[RalphKramden]

More than likely compiling writs of Excommunication, but...

there is probably some truth in that

[A Catholic Thinker]

Is there another private revelation that has a feast day in the Church?  I think not.  Of course Fatima is not "dogma" but it is definitely in another category than other private revelation.

I don't mean to burst your bubble on this one, but ***POP***
The calendar is chalk full of feasts of private revelation. There must be at least a dozen feasts of Our Lady that have a day: Our Lady of         -fill in the blank-         .
Not to mention the feast of the Sacred Heart. Fatima is just that, a private revelation, no catholic is obligated to believe one word of it. In my opinion every catholic should believe it, but I'm not the church and I don't teach with authority (Thank God!).

You are right on the feast days - I simply misspoke.

So, one is free to deny Fatima, Lourdes, Corpus Christi, the Sacred Heart, the Rosary, etc.  Would such a person be a good Catholic?  Probably only if very & innocently confused.

Fatima (and Lourdes) is indeed in a different category because its message is clearly *public* and because of the great respect (Ok, some irony there) that every subsequent pontiff has shown it.

[DrBombay]

There are no "categories" of private revelation.  The Church declares a private revelation is worthy of belief or not.  Period.  There is no requirement to believe.  Public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle and to claim there is something that came after that which is necessary for our salvation is heresy.

[Marc]

So, one is free to deny Fatima, Lourdes, Corpus Christi, the Sacred Heart, the Rosary, etc.  Would such a person be a good Catholic?  Probably only if very & innocently confused.

...or an Eastern Catholic in good standing.