2010 NFL Season

[Baskerville]

Lancer,

Make.  A. New. Thread.

Here here!

[Walty]

Lancer,

Make.  A. New. Thread.

Making a new thread would be pointless.

Agreed, which is why people keep asking you to stop posting on this one too.

[dark lancer]

You could perhaps find a forum that welcomes bloodsport discussions.  It is poor form to go to the forum of a particular religion and make a big showy thread about something that people of that religion cannot do.

[HuskerTom]

You could perhaps find a forum that welcomes bloodsport discussions.  It is poor form to go to the forum of a particular religion and make a big showy thread about something that people of that religion cannot do.

When I find a thread that I find annoying, I just ignore it, but that's just me.  I'm not sure if you're on here to just get a rise out of those of us who enjoy watching football, but seriously, I have yet to find in any church documents or a Bible passage that states, "Thou shalt not (play/watch/discuss) a sport that requires speed, skill, agility, strength, and a brown ball that is cone-shaped on each side."

If you want to talk about the UFC, I'll entertain that discussion since the only way to win is to force your opponent into submission, often by bloody means.  But football is not about beating each other up and injuring your opponent, and those who try to make it as such are penalized either by suspension or at minimum an unsportsmanlike penalty and a chewing out by the coach.  Are there injuries in football?  Of course, but I'm guessing the % of injuries per number of players is right on par with basketball, soccer and baseball (and unless you're a real anti-sports extremist, those are not bloodsports either).

[dark lancer]

You could perhaps find a forum that welcomes bloodsport discussions.  It is poor form to go to the forum of a particular religion and make a big showy thread about something that people of that religion cannot do.

When I find a thread that I find annoying, I just ignore it, but that's just me.  I'm not sure if you're on here to just get a rise out of those of us who enjoy watching football, but seriously, I have yet to find in any church documents or a Bible passage that states, "Thou shalt not (play/watch/discuss) a sport that requires speed, skill, agility, strength, and a brown ball that is cone-shaped on each side."

If you want to talk about the UFC, I'll entertain that discussion since the only way to win is to force your opponent into submission, often by bloody means.  But football is not about beating each other up and injuring your opponent, and those who try to make it as such are penalized either by suspension or at minimum an unsportsmanlike penalty and a chewing out by the coach.  Are there injuries in football?  Of course, but I'm guessing the % of injuries per number of players is right on par with basketball, soccer and baseball (and unless you're a real anti-sports extremist, those are not bloodsports either).

It has been demonstrated already that football players experience brain injuries from hard contact as a natural course of the game.  It's not like in baseball how the pitcher wants to avoid beaning the batter, and actually hitting the batter with the ball is either due to poor sportsmanship or poor pitching skill or just fatigue (if you want to walk a good hitter, just throw wild pitches that don't hurt anyone).  The shock of being tackled or collided with rattles and jars the brain inside the skull which can cause permanent damage, and helmets and headgear cannot protect players from it.  The NFL has been reluctant to do anything to mitigate the harm players endure because it interferes with their profits.  Flag football is a better alternative because body contact is not permitted and taking a flag is enough to count as a tackle.  Consumers vote with their dollar and the NFL relies on eyeballs and ticket sales to make money.

You cannot reconcile American full-contact football, full-contact hockey, boxing, or fighting for entertainment with the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" from Exodus 20:13.  The only thing which separates these sports from dog fighting or rooster fighting is that the players give consent to participating, and if mere consent was enough to justify doing anything, you could easily justify something like fornication.

Posting a thread about how great American football is on a Catholic forum is not unlike going to a Muslim forum and posting pork recipes.

[Walty]

You could perhaps find a forum that welcomes bloodsport discussions.  It is poor form to go to the forum of a particular religion and make a big showy thread about something that people of that religion cannot do.

Except that Fisheaters has always discussed and loved its bloodsports, as well as its tattoos and television.  Everyone on this thread has been here forever and has discussed football (and all sorts of other topics you don't find holy enough for you).  The only one being showy here is yourself, jumping into a forum and thread which none of the good-hearted and well-educated trads on or running this site have a problem with, and doing the old, "Why, I never!"  If you have a problem with the forum then take your high horse and don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

You're the only person I've never known on FE who is pompous enough to walk in and expect the entire forum to mold to his warped sense of Catholicism.  If you think this is an inappropriate thread then go report it to Quis.  And then leave it be.  There's no point in continuing to come here and blabber the same crap over and over.  You aren't going to win any converts to Lancerism that way.  You're posts on this thread are like a fart in the wind.

[dark lancer]

You could perhaps find a forum that welcomes bloodsport discussions.  It is poor form to go to the forum of a particular religion and make a big showy thread about something that people of that religion cannot do.

Except that Fisheaters has always discussed and loved its bloodsports, as well as its tattoos and television.  Everyone on this thread has been here forever and has discussed football (and all sorts of other topics you don't find holy enough for you).  The only one being showy here is yourself, jumping into a forum and thread which none of the good-hearted and well-educated trads on or running this site have a problem with, and doing the old, "Why, I never!"  If you have a problem with the forum then take your high horse and don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

You're the only person I've never known on FE who is pompous enough to walk in and expect the entire forum to mold to his warped sense of Catholicism.  If you think this is an inappropriate thread then go report it to Quis.  And then leave it be.  There's no point in continuing to come here and blabber the same crap over and over.  You aren't going to win any converts to Lancerism that way.  You're posts on this thread are like a fart in the wind.

Reconcile bloodsports with Exodus 20:13.

[Walty]

Reconcile bloodsports with Exodus 20:13.

No one has ever been killed in football nor is injuring an opponent the point of the game.  It happens incidentally, but that's possible with any sport or hobby.  The difference between football and baseball is simply that the nature of the sport happens to bring about more unwanted injuries, unfortunately.  But you can injure yourself while skiing too.  Or gardening.

Your argument is weak.  It might work for something like UFC or boxing, but football is about running a ball into an endzone, not beating the crap out of somebody.

[dark lancer]

Reconcile bloodsports with Exodus 20:13.

No one has ever been killed in football nor is injuring an opponent the point of the game.  It happens incidentally, but that's possible with any sport or hobby.  The difference between football and baseball is simply that the nature of the sport happens to bring about more unwanted injuries, unfortunately.  But you can injure yourself while skiing too.  Or gardening.

Your argument is weak.  It might work for something like UFC or boxing, but football is about running a ball into an endzone, not beating the crap out of somebody.

You continue to ignore the fact that in full-contact football, tackles and hard falls are a natural course of game play.  Regardless of the intent of someone tackling another player, injuries not fully mitigated by equipment still occur on a frequent basis, often resulting in permanent damage.  Players may not be killed, but they are needlessly destroying their bodies for your entertainment, not unlike in dog fighting.

Once again, the only difference between dog fighting and full-contact football is consent of the participants.

[Walty]

Reconcile bloodsports with Exodus 20:13.

No one has ever been killed in football nor is injuring an opponent the point of the game.  It happens incidentally, but that's possible with any sport or hobby.  The difference between football and baseball is simply that the nature of the sport happens to bring about more unwanted injuries, unfortunately.  But you can injure yourself while skiing too.  Or gardening.

Your argument is weak.  It might work for something like UFC or boxing, but football is about running a ball into an endzone, not beating the crap out of somebody.

You continue to ignore the fact that in full-contact football, tackles and hard falls are a natural course of game play.  Regardless of the intent of someone tackling another player, injuries not fully mitigated by equipment still occur on a frequent basis, often resulting in permanent damage.  Players may not be killed, but they are needlessly destroying their bodies for your entertainment, not unlike in dog fighting.

Once again, the only difference between dog fighting and full-contact football is consent of the participants.

But fighting is about injury.  That's evident in its very name.  Football is about endzones and goalposts.  As technology and medical information improve the sport has adapted to make it safer and safer.  It continues to be less of a risk for players as the years go by.  And that's because it's end is something morally neutral and not injury.  You almost seem to be arguing against double effect.

There are plenty of jobs which pay individuals to do dangerous jobs that almost invariably put them in immediate danger (either long or short term).  Are Catholics forbidden from becoming coal miners, loggers, or deep sea fishermen?