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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2010, 11:48:AM » |
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(2) Tafsir of al-Jalalayn:
He said, 'As for him who does wrong, by way of [practising] idolatry, we shall chastise him, We shall slay him. Then he shall be returned to his Lord and He shall chastise him with an awful chastisement (read nukran or nukuran), that is, a severe [one], in the Fire.
This seems reminiscent of O.T. biblical law does it not?
I don't believe Yahweh was too lenient on idolaters either.
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2010, 11:50:AM » |
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Just watching that lunatic doing a riverdance on top of that cross on the apex of the church totally disregarding that when it does come off said lunatic could possibly fall to his death in his effort to remove it.
A true martyr of Islam. Not really, a "true" martyr would at least take out a few infidels not some inanimate object. Ah, but this martyr would be destroying a symbol of shirk and Allah would grant him paradise for it. He's a true martyr too. Speaking of which; Id still love to hear stories from your journey in and out of Islam in Portugal. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2010, 11:54:AM » |
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(2) Tafsir of al-Jalalayn:
He said, 'As for him who does wrong, by way of [practising] idolatry, we shall chastise him, We shall slay him. Then he shall be returned to his Lord and He shall chastise him with an awful chastisement (read nukran or nukuran), that is, a severe [one], in the Fire.
This seems reminiscent of O.T. biblical law does it not?
I don't believe Yahweh was too lenient on idolaters either.
It is reminiscent of the Old Testament indeed. Islam is a mix of Judaism with heretical christianity. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2010, 12:00:PM » |
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This thread is good. Bookmarked.
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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2010, 04:18:PM » |
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Speaking of which; Id still love to hear stories from your journey in and out of Islam in Portugal.
I'll quote myself for public benefit: Before returning to the Church I became involved with Islam for a while (about a year). I'm no scholar, by any stretch of the imagination, but I know a bit more about Mohammedanism than the average man in the pew.
I was born and raised in the faith but by my early teens I had already left the Church since my family is just nominally catholic. After wandering in the desert of atheism until my early twenties, I became interested in religion again. However, my old distrust of the Church was so great that I refused to even reconsider her claims. It was then that I was drawn to Islam because of my interest in all things oriental. After some time, I began practicing it. I used to go to the mosque frequently and I did my studies from within. I became so disgusted with Mohammed's character in comparison to what I still knew of Christ that I had to make a decision: to become a heretical muslim (reject the Hadith and shape the religion to my liking) or honestly leave. I left and I thank God for it.
Having said all that, I haven't written down my experience anywhere; perhaps someday to the benefit of some. We'll see.
Obviously, Our Lord let me go through that story at that time but I'm still not sure why. Perhaps I'm destined to do missionary work somewhere in the Infidel land! Who knows? Let God decide. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2010, 05:39:PM » |
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Praise be to God for saving you from that wicked religion. I suppose many do not wish to open their eyes to the inherent evil of islam because it would shatter their universalist dream of false peace and equality.
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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2010, 06:01:PM » |
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Speaking of which; Id still love to hear stories from your journey in and out of Islam in Portugal.
I'll quote myself for public benefit: Before returning to the Church I became involved with Islam for a while (about a year). I'm no scholar, by any stretch of the imagination, but I know a bit more about Mohammedanism than the average man in the pew.
I was born and raised in the faith but by my early teens I had already left the Church since my family is just nominally catholic. After wandering in the desert of atheism until my early twenties, I became interested in religion again. However, my old distrust of the Church was so great that I refused to even reconsider her claims. It was then that I was drawn to Islam because of my interest in all things oriental. After some time, I began practicing it. I used to go to the mosque frequently and I did my studies from within. I became so disgusted with Mohammed's character in comparison to what I still knew of Christ that I had to make a decision: to become a heretical muslim (reject the Hadith and shape the religion to my liking) or honestly leave. I left and I thank God for it.
Having said all that, I haven't written down my experience anywhere; perhaps someday to the benefit of some. We'll see.
Obviously, Our Lord let me go through that story at that time but I'm still not sure why. Perhaps I'm destined to do missionary work somewhere in the Infidel land! Who knows? Let God decide. I read some of your posts over at that Muslim forum you linked to some time ago; ex-Muslims make Islam's best critics, which is why my interest was high. |
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« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2010, 10:56:AM » |
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" ex-Muslims make Islam's best critics, which is why my interest was high. "
Would you feel the same of "ex-Catholics"?
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To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die. There is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time, and betrayal.
--- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
"Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, and right is right even if nobody is doing it."
-St. Augustine Doctor of the Church
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
There is no limit to investigating the truth; until you discover it.
- Cicero
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« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2010, 11:03:AM » |
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(2) Tafsir of al-Jalalayn:
He said, 'As for him who does wrong, by way of [practising] idolatry, we shall chastise him, We shall slay him. Then he shall be returned to his Lord and He shall chastise him with an awful chastisement (read nukran or nukuran), that is, a severe [one], in the Fire.
This seems reminiscent of O.T. biblical law does it not?
I don't believe Yahweh was too lenient on idolaters either.
It is reminiscent of the Old Testament indeed. Islam is a mix of Judaism with heretical christianity. From what I understand of my limited knowledge, doesn't Islam include many other worldviews prior to the coming of Mohamed as "prophets" of God? I know Mohamed is considered the last and final authority, |
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To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die. There is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being. Nothing is left, then, but concessions, attempts to gain time, and betrayal.
--- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
"Wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it, and right is right even if nobody is doing it."
-St. Augustine Doctor of the Church
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
There is no limit to investigating the truth; until you discover it.
- Cicero
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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2010, 11:13:AM » |
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From what I understand of my limited knowledge, doesn't Islam include many other worldviews prior to the coming of Mohamed as "prophets" of God?
I know Mohamed is considered the last and final authority,
They recognize a vast number of prophets and messengers, most of them drawn from the Bible. You can read more about their prophets here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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