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Tim
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« Reply #140 on: March 04, 2011, 04:27:PM »

Cato $298 for a Breviary,  that's incredible and underlines my remarks. Get together and write Andrewes outlining the problems and ask if he'd get involved. With enough interest he might get going quickly. This should only be about $150.00 tops.

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« Reply #141 on: March 04, 2011, 04:30:PM »

Has anyone on this Board seen the all Latin Roman Breviary from the FSSP?  Does it have the rubrics and complete ordinaries included.  I saw my nephew/seminarian's copy at Christmas.  The pages and print looked very high quality, but I did not get a good look at the cover and binding because he had it in a case.  I just want another opinion before spending the $298. 

I have seen this Breviary. It is the nova et vetera editon. This is a high quality reproduction. I will say there are a few typos in the set. If you do some searching on the internet you will certainly come up with some results as far as reviews go.
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« Reply #142 on: March 04, 2011, 04:30:PM »

I recently bought a DR leather cover from TAN which seems like a nice bible and well made and I found it for under $30 on Amazon.  Previously I've had problems with TAN books and their bindings but I'm hoping under new ownership this has improved.  Time will tell. 

Their paperbacks are definitely made on the cheap to be cost effective.  We have the leather-bound DR, and it's held up for almost 10 years.  But, we don't do Bible study and do most of my personal Scripture reading is online so mostly it sits on the table with the statues of the Saints.
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« Reply #143 on: March 04, 2011, 05:01:PM »

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I think its safe to say Baronius have embarrassed themselves with the handling of this whole Breviary issue.

This company is a joke. I shelled out a lot of money for a leatherbound 1950's Knox Bible because I was fed up of waiting.
The irony is, this old book is probably still of finer quality than anything Baronius has knocked together, my first D-R Bible from them is falling to bits!

I'm not bothered that I will probably be slated as a sad, ranting lunatic. I'm just fed up of Baronius Press.

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From a businessman's perspective these guys are losers, and shouldn't call themselves printers, more kiddies with crayolas.

I’ll play “Devil’s Advocate”, if I may.

I certainly appreciate the frustration people are having with them, but, that is life in the free enterprise world.  I’m frustrated with how long it is taking HP/Palm to get a WebOS phone and tablet on the market, and with Barnes and Noble dragging their feet on opening an Android applications mart for the Nook color e-book reader (which I purchased last Dec. because BN said the apps mart would be available in January), and some airlines are frustrated that Boeing doesn’t have the 787 on the market yet.

In my opinion, as long as they aren’t defrauding you or misrepresenting their products, companies don’t have any particular obligation to the market, other than to play fairly and honestly.  If a company doesn’t seem to be able to “get-r-dun”, anyone else is free to try and do a better job.

I don’t know how big the company is, but I’m thinking they are small.  Having been a small business person myself, in both agricultural production, and agricultural product sales, I can understand getting overwhelmed by a project, or having an initial vision about something that turned out to be overly optimistic.  Just saying…

As for the breviary, I believe it was announced that a large part of the delay was with a very extensive proof reading (one of the things they have been criticized here for in the past were “typos” in some of their publications), and a delay in obtaining official ecclesiastical approval, which is something they felt was important.  In the absence of other evidence, I’ll have to take them on their word for that.  They could be criticized for being too much of a “tease”, and perhaps should have kept things “more under wraps” until things were more certain, but having worked in “small shops  ~ been there, done that” situations, I can see how a small company might get “in over their head”.  It does sound like things are far enough along that it will eventually happen.

I can understand why they might focus most of their energy on existing products.  I would like to have a full breviary, and a Knox bible (which not all “trads” approve of), but I’m guessing this isn’t a huge market, and the DR bibles, missals, and their other books are what are keeping them solvent.  Unless they have some market research they aren’t sharing, I’m guessing they are kind of “rolling the dice” on this.  I don’t have any market research either, but my hunch is that there are far more (both in numbers and percentages) of lay Novus Ordo Catholics who pray the Liturgy of the Hours than there were ever pre VII laity who prayed the breviary (and the laity who did were mostly members of Third Orders, who usually used an abbreviated breviary).  It will be interesting to see what the real market is, and I would have to applaud them for taking the risk.  If people want to get mad maybe some of that venting should go toward Angelus Press, Fraternity Publishing (FSSP), TAN Books, etc., for not even trying.

As for quality issues, the only Baronius Press product I own is “The Psalms and New Testament” (Douay-Rheims) which I purchased at a mainline Catholic bookstore 3 years ago.  While I confess that it gets carried around (its virtue is its very small size, so I always have it with me, but for me it requires reading glasses) more than read, it has held up very well, and seems to be a very high quality product.  The CMRI bookstore in Spokane, WA carries several Baonius products, and because of complaints I’ve seen here, I asked the nun who manages the bookstore what their experience has been.  She said they have had no issues with product quality, so perhaps those issues have been addressed.  As with most small publishers, they outsource printing and publishing, which can diminish their control over quality sometimes.

I have no stake in the company, just felt like going to bat for a small business that is trying to get some products out that few others are making any effort on.  After all, anybody here was free to sit down and type out a full Latin and English breviary, take it out to get printed and bound at any quality level they desire, and put it on the market (hopefully buying a banner ad at Fisheaters in the process).  No one else has made the effort.  Barionius has.  I cut them some slack for that.
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« Reply #144 on: March 04, 2011, 05:07:PM »


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From a businessman's perspective these guys are losers, and shouldn't call themselves printers, more kiddies with crayolas.
I’ll play “Devil’s Advocate”, if I may.

I have no stake in the company, just felt like going to bat for a small business that is trying to get some products out that few others are making any effort on.

I understand where you're coming from, but I have to agree with tim. If they are indeed businessmen they would never have made promises they were incapable of fulfilling. I can understand optimism, but once the first 'delays' happened, they should have apologised to prospective customers and made no more promises. Instead they have continued to pretend that the Breviary would be available 'very soon'. Not the sort of thing that serious business men do.
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« Reply #145 on: March 04, 2011, 06:54:PM »

Here is what they say on their website.  Let me know what you think.  Maybe there is someone out there who can recommend an all Latin version similar to the FSSP but better priced.


Product Description
A GREAT GIFT IDEA FOR YOUR PRIEST!

SHIPPING SPECIAL..only $13.95 to US customers!
YOUR TOTAL WILL BE ADJUSTED WHEN YOUR ORDER IS PROCESSED

No costs or efforts were spared in the production of these beautiful and precious books. Our edition of the Breviary finally incorporates all that could and should have been included in any edition in 1962.

    * With approval according to canon law (C. 826)
    * New edition, not a reprint, complete new arrangement of the texts in the classical order.
    * Whole text set in the traditional 2 columns, as in liturgical books, in Latin only.
    * In 2 volumes, according to the rubrics promulgated by the Blessed Pope John XXIII, approximately 4 ½” x 7”
    * Quality cream colored bible paper. Today there are only a handful of printers able to produce a bicolor printing with such fine paper and still be able to fold and crease the sheets. It is similar in its weight and color to quality paper generally used by liturgical publishers of the past.
    * The cover is made of relatively smooth flexible leather, as flexible as were earlier Breviaries. In addition we set special value on the feature that after flipping the book open, the volume in fact stays open. The spine will have embossed lettering in gold, with blind embossing around the entire cover.
    * Rounded corners prevents wrinkling, creasing or any other damage to the beautiful bible paper. These volumes have gold edges on all three sides. Also, rare these days we feature 6 ribbon markers, each affixed in a different spot at the head of the book. This must be done by hand since modern bookbinding machines can only affix two ribbons at a time and only in the same place. Our bookbinders are unique in this present time in offerin this feature.
    * Including illustrations for the most important feasts and some vignettes.

You will also receive the Propria Officia(USA), Pocket Guide for the Recitation of the Divine Office and
Four Prayer Cards for each volume:
For Volume I: i. Te Deum, Benedictus, Magnificat and Antiphonae finales B. Mariae Virg. ii. Absolutiones et Benedictiones (in officio trium et in officio novem lectionum) iii. Psalmi ad Laudes pro festis iv. Anitphonae maiores O (for the advent) and the texts ‘Infra Octavam Paschae’ (Antiphonae ad Bened. Et ad Magnif. + Oratio)

For Volume II: i. Te Deum, Benedictus, Magnificat and Antiphonae finales B. Mariae Virg. (and the beginning of the Orationes Dominicarum) ii. Absolutiones et Benedictiones (in officio trium et in officio novem lectionum) iii. Psalmi ad Laudes pro festis iv. Orationes Dominicarum (the orationes for the weeks after Pentecost)


Has anyone on this Board seen the all Latin Roman Breviary from the FSSP?  Does it have the rubrics and complete ordinaries included.  I saw my nephew/seminarian's copy at Christmas.  The pages and print looked very high quality, but I did not get a good look at the cover and binding because he had it in a case.  I just want another opinion before spending the $298. 

I have seen this Breviary. It is the nova et vetera editon. This is a high quality reproduction. I will say there are a few typos in the set. If you do some searching on the internet you will certainly come up with some results as far as reviews go.
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QuisUtDeus
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« Reply #146 on: March 05, 2011, 01:48:AM »

If they are indeed businessmen they would never have made promises they were incapable of fulfilling

As an engineer, I know that isn't true.

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Tim
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« Reply #147 on: March 05, 2011, 09:48:AM »

Yup, Quis, My remark was borne of the frustration with "marketing" selling things I had no way of making. Who cares if they had no idea how things are made, it's potential sales which count. Yup, first we tell 'em it can't be made that way, then it's our fault.
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« Reply #148 on: March 07, 2011, 01:48:PM »

Baronius are a small company. Have any of your emailed them and asked if you could help in any way with the project? I know for a fact that the whole thing has been proofread somewhere between 2.5 and 4 times. And I know that the very few proofreaders that were able to do the English found it a difficult slog. Instead of hating on them on a forum (a pretty pathetic thing to spend your time doing), perhaps you could have dropped them an email and asked them if you could have helped, or said an extra rosary for them.

Hard graft has been put into that breviary. Volunteers spending time that they could have spent in another job earning money.

There are so few trads in the Church. We can moan, or we can actually be a family and help a small company like this out. Crikey.
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« Reply #149 on: March 07, 2011, 02:16:PM »

Baronius are a small company. Have any of your emailed them and asked if you could help in any way with the project? I know for a fact that the whole thing has been proofread somewhere between 2.5 and 4 times. And I know that the very few proofreaders that were able to do the English found it a difficult slog. Instead of hating on them on a forum (a pretty pathetic thing to spend your time doing), perhaps you could have dropped them an email and asked them if you could have helped, or said an extra rosary for them.

Hard graft has been put into that breviary. Volunteers spending time that they could have spent in another job earning money.

There are so few trads in the Church. We can moan, or we can actually be a family and help a small company like this out. Crikey.

On this issue specifically, it's rather out of our hands. The delay was in obtaining the imprimatur and now it's in printing the thing. So unless somebody here owns a printing press, there's nothing we can.

I think we're all excited about the project and the frustration stems from Baronius's constant teasing "oh just a bit longer". The concept is that it would've been better for them to not use the word "soon" at all.
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