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randomtradguy
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« on: January 14, 2011, 11:40:AM »
In the third chapter of Habakkuk the prophet's book in the Douay Rheims we see this:
17 For the fig tree shall not blossom: and there shall be no spring in the vines. The labour of the olive tree shall fail: and the fields shall yield no food: the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls. 18 But I will rejoice in the Lord: and I will joy in God my Jesus. 19 The Lord God is my strength: and he will make my feet like the feet of harts: and he the conqueror will lead me upon my high places singing psalms.

I just find it odd that Christ's name appears here so bluntly, can anyone explain this? i wonder what a Jewish bible says (not that it matters, they go out of their way to explain away obvious Christian parallels.)
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 04:24:PM »
"Jesus" means savior or salvation. It's basically saying. "I will rejoice in God my Savior." So, for example, the RSV-CE translates it:

"yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation"
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 04:47:PM »
I was told that every time in the OT, when it says "God of my salvation" or anything like that it is something like Yeshua or God saves, then Jesus is throughout the OT, and it is a mystery why He was rejected by so many.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 07:59:PM »
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In the third chapter of Habakkuk the prophet's book in the Douay Rheims we see this:
17 For the fig tree shall not blossom: and there shall be no spring in the vines. The labour of the olive tree shall fail: and the fields shall yield no food: the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls. 18 But I will rejoice in the Lord: and I will joy in God my Jesus. 19 The Lord God is my strength: and he will make my feet like the feet of harts: and he the conqueror will lead me upon my high places singing psalms.

I just find it odd that Christ's name appears here so bluntly, can anyone explain this? i wonder what a Jewish bible says (not that it matters, they go out of their way to explain away obvious Christian parallels.)

For what it's worth, the Jewish Study Bible (published by the Jewish Publication Society) has this for verse 18: "Yet will I rejoice in the Lord, Exult in the God who delivers me."
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 08:08:PM »
Intriguing.
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 11:05:PM »
The name was very common. "Jesus" is from the Latin from the Greek from the Hebrew.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2011, 01:32:AM »
thank you all for your opinions. Also, I know in the old testament a prophet says the Messias will be a "faber" (smith, my surname, haha) in Latin, but meaning mechanic/carpenter from Greek. In the Douay Rheims Bible it is translated smith. Does anybody know which verse I'm speaking of?
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 07:08:AM »
I checked DRBO.org and found smith in the OT, but my guess is in the NT it is Matt. 13:55.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 06:40:AM »
The Knox translation renders the verse as "Still will I make my boast in the Lord, triumph in the deliverance God sends me".

The Latin, however, is the source of the Douay-Rheims' translation of Our Lord's name here: "Ego autem in Dómino gaudébo ; et exsultábo in Deo Iésu meo."

 The Hebrew word used is ישעי (yish'ī).
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2011, 12:04:AM »
I don't have it handy here at home, but I will look in the Peshitta to see what it has for that verse.  The Peshitta OT was probably translated from Hebrew in the 2nd century, and so considerably predates the Vulgate - I'm curious what Jerome's Hebrew source text looked like, and the Peshitta could potentially shed some light on that.  In my opinion, translating yish'ī as "Jesu" is a bit of stretch.  FWIW, the Septuagint has τῷ σωτῆρί μου "my savior."
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