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« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2011, 08:40:PM » |
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Mothers with small children - infants and toddlers - are exempt from Mass. We don't know that women of the past actually breastfed their babies at Mass. This was not an issue in the past when families were large and extended, when families were city dwellers and the cathedral was in walking distance, and when there were several Masses, up to five on any given Sunday, and other family members, usually older siblings, could keep the babies at home while others went to Mass. There were also wet nurses or other women in the family with milk in their breasts who could nurse the baby while mom went to Mass. We can't compare today's times and situations to yesterday's.
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"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #61 on: March 24, 2011, 08:46:PM » |
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breastfeeding a baby seems pretty holy to me. baby hasn't had first communion yet anyways so not eating in church doesn't apply to him... and he's got to eat. like I said, my son breastfed for nine months, I can't imagine having a woman miss parts of the mass regularly for a year or more because of something that really can be done discreetly and imperceptibly.
Why? There are days when I've not received, but have snacked before Mass. The fast is for reception, as far as I know, not assisting at Mass. my point. If you don't receive it doesn't mean you're gonna eat a bag of crisps during mass. |
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« Reply #62 on: March 24, 2011, 08:54:PM » |
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breastfeeding a baby seems pretty holy to me. baby hasn't had first communion yet anyways so not eating in church doesn't apply to him... and he's got to eat. like I said, my son breastfed for nine months, I can't imagine having a woman miss parts of the mass regularly for a year or more because of something that really can be done discreetly and imperceptibly.
Why? There are days when I've not received, but have snacked before Mass. The fast is for reception, as far as I know, not assisting at Mass. my point. If you don't receive it doesn't mean you're gonna eat a bag of crisps during mass. Not eating during Mass or in Church has nothing to do with the communion fast but with the holiness of the liturgy and the house of the Lord. If it's disrespectful to eat during a normal business meeting or during class, how much more during Mass? |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #63 on: March 24, 2011, 09:10:PM » |
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FWIW, Vetus, I completely agree with you. And I think that it's a bad argument to say that you can't speak about this just because you're a single man. That's the same argument that people make when they say that straight people can't talk about homosexuality or only military officials can have opinions on military decisions.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. I think the point was: it can be surprising for someone not in a certain state of life to have such strong opinions about certain things. You mentioned the military. You can't expect a civilian to be a four-star general and lead troops into battle - that doesn't make sense... even if civilians do have a huge role in setting military policies and priorities. There is a significant change in many attitudes for many people after they have kids. For myself I can say that I used to be very legalistic about certain things, and your outlook and attitude changes for certain issues. Some things are not as important anymore as well. I understand what you're saying, but that goes both ways. It could also be said that a single man, especially one who is removed from the everyday life of struggling with parenting, may see things in a more objective light. I'm not saying that I necessarily always believe that, but it's certainly possible, I think. I will definitely admit that my views on this could change. I haven't had children yet and I haven't studied or looked into this subject very much. But as I look at it now, it seems inappropriate. |
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« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2011, 09:35:PM » |
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A little baby's stomach is the size of their fist. Breastmilk gets digested pretty quickly. So the baby really needs to nurse just about all the time--like every two hours early on (for the first couple of months). If for whatever reason the mom can't nurse discretely in the chapel, she can go elsewhere. There's always someplace else to nurse--another room or what have you. But to say the baby needs to wait to eat, well, you'll just have a screaming baby on your hands and that is a much bigger distraction than feeding baby.
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« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2011, 09:38:PM » |
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I saw a mom with baby go into an unused confessional once. Seemed brilliant to me.
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« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2011, 09:44:PM » |
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But to say the baby needs to wait to eat, well, you'll just have a screaming baby on your hands and that is a much bigger distraction than feeding baby.
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2011, 09:55:PM » |
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But to say the baby needs to wait to eat, well, you'll just have a screaming baby on your hands and that is a much bigger distraction than feeding baby.
Nobody suggested that, as far as I can remember. Than I misunderstood post #66. It appeared to me as though you were saying that it was disrespectful. Quote from: Bakuryokuso Quote from: CollegeCatholic Quote from: Bakuryokuso breastfeeding a baby seems pretty holy to me. baby hasn't had first communion yet anyways so not eating in church doesn't apply to him... and he's got to eat. like I said, my son breastfed for nine months, I can't imagine having a woman miss parts of the mass regularly for a year or more because of something that really can be done discreetly and imperceptibly. Why? There are days when I've not received, but have snacked before Mass. The fast is for reception, as far as I know, not assisting at Mass. That's my point. If you don't receive it doesn't mean you're gonna eat a bag of crisps during mass. Not eating during Mass or in Church has nothing to do with the communion fast but with the holiness of the liturgy and the house of the Lord. If it's disrespectful to eat during a normal business meeting or during class, how much more during Mass? |
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« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2011, 10:18:PM » |
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Than I misunderstood post #66. It appeared to me as though you were saying that it was disrespectful.
If it's disrespectful to eat during a normal business meeting or during class, how much more during Mass?
Ah, yes. It also applies to babies. That's why it would be more proper if mothers would feed them in separate rooms and not during Mass. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2011, 10:27:PM » |
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Than I misunderstood post #66. It appeared to me as though you were saying that it was disrespectful.
If it's disrespectful to eat during a normal business meeting or during class, how much more during Mass?
Ah, yes. It also applies to babies. That's why it would be more proper if mothers would feed them in separate rooms and not during Mass. Don't know about your babies, but personally, mine is usually just famished during business meetings and class |
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