Did Mary sin and die ?

[twinc]

Legend and very strong circumstantial evidence has it that as the true Holy Grail she was secreted away to sanctuary and refuge to England to prevent her falling into the hands of those who were persecuting and killing the early Christians - btw England is the dowry of Mary left to her by her son - twinc

[Vivace]

The Blessed Virgin Mary did not sin:

When there is question of sin, Mary must always be excepted. [81] Mary's complete exemption from actual sin is confirmed by the Council of Trent (Session VI, Canon 23): "If any one say that man once justified can during his whole life avoid all sins, even venial ones, as the Church holds that the Blessed Virgin did by special privilege of God, let him be anathema." Theologians assert that Mary was impeccable, not by the essential perfection of her nature, but by a special Divine privilege.

As for whether or not she died, I believe it is open to interpretation. Someone should be able to come along and clarify.

[Virgil the Roman]

The Blessed Virgin Mary is held to be without any sin, mortal or venial; it is a infallible doctrine of Christ's Holy Church.  We cannot believe otherwise, without cutting ourselves off from the Body of Christ.

[INPEFESS]

twinc, welcome to the forum! Also, this is a good question.

I think it first important to acknowledge that Our Lord's death was not the consequence of a corrupted nature; rather, He chose to die for the redemption of mankind. Similarly, and as a great many theologians have opined, it seems likely that Our Blessed Lady, too, did indeed die, not because her unspotted nature required it, but because she desired to imitate her Son in every way, Who had chosen to die for us.

This is part of the very nature of love. True charity is never content to only give so much and then give no more. True love never says, "I've done enough to show my love; this much is sufficient." Instead, true love desires to give and keep on giving as much as is within its capacity. Even then, true charity seeks to continue to give of itself and earnestly desires that it be able to do more to please the object of its love. Because God never denies the requests of His mother, it doesn't seem likely that He would have denied her request to imitate Him through the separation of herself from every worldly possession, even her material life, by dying for Him.

Nevertheless, the Church does not require the assent of the faithful to believe that Mary died, so it would not be contrary to the faith to believe that she didn't, but I believe, based on the very nature of perfect love itself, that she would choose to die as a way to model her Son in every way. 

[StrictCatholicGirl]

INP said it perfectly. As Catholics we must believe Mary was sinless, and we must believe in the Assumption. Details are not submitted, and one can believe that she died or went straight to heaven. In the East they call it her "falling asleep." The Dormition.

At any rate, I agree with INP that Mary died, that she followed her Son in every way. 

Also, welcome to the forum!

[twinc]

No,no imho no - she could not and did not die - even her son who was sinless could not and would not have died except that He who was sinless was made sin for us imho - Mary was The Immaculate Conception - twinc

[INPEFESS]

No,no imho no - she could not

Why couldn't she? If she asked God to let her die, why would He refuse her? He never refuses her:

[1] And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and the mother of Jesus was there. [2] And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage. [3] And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine. [4] And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come. [5] His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye. [6] Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three measures apiece. [7] Jesus saith to them: Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. [8] And Jesus saith to them: Draw out now, and carry to the chief steward of the feast. And they carried it. [9] And when the chief steward had tasted the water made wine, and knew not whence it was, but the waiters knew who had drawn the water; the chief steward calleth the bridegroom, [10] And saith to him: Every man at first setteth forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse. But thou hast kept the good wine until now. [11] This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee; and manifested his glory, and his disciples believed in him.

and did not die

How do you know? The Church has not declared that she didn't nor that she couldn't.

- even her son who was sinless could not and would not have died except that He who was sinless was made sin for us

But why couldn't Mary be an exception by choosing to die for Him.

imho - Mary was The Immaculate Conception

You are correct. She is.

[Rosarium]

Private revelation indicates she did die (peacefully), before the Assumption.

She chose that because Jesus died.

However, I think we can say that she did not have to die.

[INPEFESS]

Private revelation indicates she did die (peacefully), before the Assumption.

She chose that because Jesus died.

However, I think we can say that she did not have to die.

Yes, but that doesn't seem to be enough for twinc, who contends:

No,no imho no - she could not and did not die - even her son who was sinless could not and would not have died except that He who was sinless was made sin for us imho - Mary was The Immaculate Conception - twinc

(emphasis added)

I am not sure how it can be said that God can do everything except allow His mother to die if she asks it of Him. If He is truly omnipotent, then I don't understand how it can be said that He could not permit this to happen. It is not against His nature, it is not a logical impossibility, and does not go against any of His commandments.