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Author Topic: $350 and it's all yours...Baronius Breviarium Romanum  (Read 32164 times)
AlexV
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« Reply #190 on: February 04, 2012, 08:57:AM »

It's regrettable that the 1962 breviary (which is really the 1961 breviary, which went into effect on 1 January of that year) is the "official" traditional Office.  The 1962 breviary is often inferior to the post-conciliar Office, because of the thoughtless job that was done in chopping out most of Sunday Matins, so that in the 1962 Office you will get a question from a Father that has no answer because a Vatican official chopped out two-thirds of the reading and deleted the answer.

If the liturgy must be restored, there really needs to be a campaign to restore the former breviary, and not the hack job of 1961.  A good start would be the Franciscan solution in 1961; their Romano-Seraphic Breviary kept the full Matins on all Sundays, which does help alleviate the problems.

Unfortunately, we don't live in very liturgically aware times, rather in days that vacillate between liturgical anarchy on the one hand and over-scrupulous fidelity to, say, the 1962 rubrics on the other hand.  It would be very easy for the Ecclesia Dei commission to fix this problem, which is a very real problem, but I don't see it happening anytime soon, alas.
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« Reply #191 on: February 04, 2012, 09:54:AM »

Even in its somewhat chopped state, the '62 is infinitely better than that thing from the V2 labs, the Liturgiam Horarum.

But I do agree, the '62 office is not as good as the so-called Divino Afflatu version St. Pius X promulgated.  An English translation of this edition exists, but the ones I've seen fetched astronomical prices on eBay.
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« Reply #192 on: February 04, 2012, 11:15:AM »

Let me know when you guys go to tell the priest who has to minister to three-to-four different parishes in rural Texas that if he wants to use the traditional breviary he's going to have to use the old set up for Sunday.  I want to see him hit you  LOL.
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« Reply #193 on: February 04, 2012, 12:13:PM »

way to get hated  Eye-roll

Don't worry.  I promise I'll post the odd paragraph or two from my breviary in this thread for you all  LOL.

make sure they aren't the one featured on the website or else I'll just have to sail to your part of the world and steal the whole thing from you!
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« Reply #194 on: February 04, 2012, 12:15:PM »

Even in its somewhat chopped state, the '62 is infinitely better than that thing from the V2 labs, the Liturgiam Horarum.


that thing

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Could you imagine if we had that (the LH) in the middle ages?!  what would we have now?
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« Reply #195 on: February 04, 2012, 02:41:PM »

Even in its somewhat chopped state, the '62 is infinitely better than that thing from the V2 labs, the Liturgiam Horarum.

But I do agree, the '62 office is not as good as the so-called Divino Afflatu version St. Pius X promulgated.  An English translation of this edition exists, but the ones I've seen fetched astronomical prices on eBay.

I actually think the LH does a few things well; though an innovation, the patristic readings every day are nice.  It is also easier to fit the whole office into one's day, no matter one's state in life.  Otherwise, though, I generally agree with you.  None of the changes taken individually is as serious as the changes in the Mass, but the LH is to my mind a more striking departure from Roman liturgical tradition than the "revised" Missal.

The Anglican Breviary, though not a Catholic publication, is essentially the Divino Afflatu breviary in one volume.  It is obviously Anglican, with the Coverdale psalter and some BCP collects instead of the Roman ones, but a lot of the material is taken from the Bute breviary.  Not perfect, but can be had for under $100.  There is a Yahoo group dedicated to its use, and some members have posted printable supplemental materials to further adapt it to Roman Use, e.g., the Gospels and collects for Advent which differed in the Sarum Use that the BCP is based on.
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« Reply #196 on: February 04, 2012, 07:15:PM »

I am a 62 year old geezer who is as Traditional as one can get. I have a collection of all the breviaries to include the 1898 Bute and its later early-1900 three volume set. There is something really special about the Anglican breviary which I never could put my finger on. Thank you, as you just have touched that nerve. It indeed borrows heavily from the Bute. More so, in the Anglican version the lives of the saints (they call them "legends") are fuller and more numerous than any 20th century Roman office.
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« Reply #197 on: February 04, 2012, 09:22:PM »

The sorry shame is that it's possible that the long-awaited Breviary could be relatively short-lived if the Vatican goes forward with its plans to rework the calendar to add and remove saints and some prayers.

Of course, other books related to the '62 Missal (such as the beautiful Divine Intimacy) will face the same problem of becoming outdated if the changes do occur.
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« Reply #198 on: February 04, 2012, 09:44:PM »

It will be some time before the calendar is reworked, in our age of instant gratification and constant change we fail to remember that the Holy See works at a much slower pace than the rest of the world. I'm not too concerned about any changes in the near future.

One thing I have constantly been concerned about is the color of the red shown in the preview pages, it really appears to be pink, not red. if you have seen the Nova et Vetera Breviary, they use a very deep rich red color for the rubrics and it is most tasteful. I hope the color shown in the previews is not a true representation of how the color will appear.
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« Reply #199 on: February 04, 2012, 09:58:PM »

It will be some time before the calendar is reworked, in our age of instant gratification and constant change we fail to remember that the Holy See works at a much slower pace than the rest of the world. I'm not too concerned about any changes in the near future.

One thing I have constantly been concerned about is the color of the red shown in the preview pages, it really appears to be pink, not red. if you have seen the Nova et Vetera Breviary, they use a very deep rich red color for the rubrics and it is most tasteful. I hope the color shown in the previews is not a true representation of how the color will appear.


This is a great irritant to me.  Red is my absolute favorite color.  I can't tell you how irritated I get when I see these faux-reds passed off as genuine red.  Brick, crimson, candy apple, fire engine, cardinal, ruby and scarlet are NOT red!!!  They are names that homosexual men give their cars.  Red is RED, dammit!!!!  Hopping Mad
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