Italian Historian Says Homosexuality Destroyed Rome

[Augstine Baker]

 Roberto de Mathei  is a Traditionalist Catholic and was in the news earlier this week when he was critical of the current Pope and Vatican II as reported by Sandro Magister.  He has also blamed the disasters besetting Japan on the wrath of God.

More recently, the Vice President of Italy's National Research Council, has angered many Italians for comments they consider to be insensitive, namely, blaming Rome's fall on the collapse of its morals and infestation by homosexuality.  According to the article by the Telegraph, more than 7,000 people have signed a petition asking for his resignation. 

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2011/04/italian-historian-says-homosexuality.html

[Bminor Mass]

The link with Iran's leader makes it pretty clear where these neo cons are coming from.
My enemies enemy my friend?
Certainly in the French revolutonary wars  - which killed millions  - England, a prod. country, found itself on the side of the angels in opposing this evil.
Bishop Sheen made the same point that the Italian historian does, but that was a lifetime ago.

[Augstine Baker]

The link with Iran's leader makes it pretty clear where these neo cons are coming from.
My enemies enemy my friend?
Certainly in the French revolutonary wars  - which killed millions  - England, a prod. country, found itself on the side of the angels in opposing this evil.
Bishop Sheen made the same point that the Italian historian does, but that was a lifetime ago.

Hi, thanks for those observations, do you have a show title and/or date for Bishop Sheen's talks on this subject?  Thanks

[Bminor Mass]

Hi Augstine,

On you tube there are various recordings from Bishop Sheen's talks in the 50's and 70's. On one of them, sorry I cant remember which one, he made an observation about moral laxness to the effect that it has on civilization. But you might like this from page 260, of 'Your Life is Worth Living,  when he quotes the sociologist, Dr. Sorokin,who said:
''Those families among us who frequently change husbands and wives, who fail in their duties to their children and adopt the moral code of the gutter, are pushing us along the road to chaos. Greece, in the 3rd and the 2nd centuries before Christ, brought sex into the open. We know because there were men in those days too, who prided themselves on their objectivity as they calmly recorded the destressing picture of whole families getting together to indulge in promiscuous behaviour.  Adultery and prostitution were so common that those who indulged were regarded merely as interesting fellows.
But, such a society was not able to summon the backbone to resist in the face of war , or to endure the austerity programme that might have salvaged that overblown economy.  Soon, the glory that was Greece was over and the mighty  Acropolis was only a hillside strewn with ruined marble.'' 

I would add only one thing to that,  this laxness produces an incredible spiritual blindness and irrationality.
In 415 B.C.  the Athenians attacked Sicily, believing the expedition would bring them enormous riches and power and glory.  They totally over estimated their own abilities and under estimated the enemy.  All Athens  enemies banded together against them, and the war broke out on several front , stretching their forces way too thin. The expedition was a complete and utter disaster  leading to the destruction of one of the greatest civilizations of all time. 

[Genius]

Hi Augstine,

On you tube there are various recordings from Bishop Sheen's talks in the 50's and 70's. On one of them, sorry I cant remember which one, he made an observation about moral laxness to the effect that it has on civilization. But you might like this from page 260, of 'Your Life is Worth Living,  when he quotes the sociologist, Dr. Sorokin,who said:
''Those families among us who frequently change husbands and wives, who fail in their duties to their children and adopt the moral code of the gutter, are pushing us along the road to chaos. Greece, in the 3rd and the 2nd centuries before Christ, brought sex into the open. We know because there were men in those days too, who prided themselves on their objectivity as they calmly recorded the destressing picture of whole families getting together to indulge in promiscuous behaviour.  Adultery and prostitution were so common that those who indulged were regarded merely as interesting fellows.
But, such a society was not able to summon the backbone to resist in the face of war , or to endure the austerity programme that might have salvaged that overblown economy.  Soon, the glory that was Greece was over and the mighty  Acropolis was only a hillside strewn with ruined marble.'' 

I would add only one thing to that,  this laxness produces an incredible spiritual blindness and irrationality.
In 415 B.C.  the Athenians attacked Sicily, believing the expedition would bring them enormous riches and power and glory.  They totally over estimated their own abilities and under estimated the enemy.  All Athens  enemies banded together against them, and the war broke out on several front , stretching their forces way too thin. The expedition was a complete and utter disaster  leading to the destruction of one of the greatest civilizations of all time. 

The bolded part is shocking.

[Edward]

i always believed that was the one of the main reasons for the fall of Rome... i hope the US doesnt follow the same path

[laurabookworm]

When any nation falls, Rome included, it's never due to just ONE particular sin to the exclusion of all others.... but generally speaking, sin itself is still the reason a nation would fall. Usually, a multitude of sins, starting with how we treat the weakest and most helpless people, and winding up with how we treat God. Ignoring this reality won't do us any good. Nations obsessed with their own power, and their own will being done rather than God's will being done always burn bright, for a while, and then they start to burn out. Every nation that's ever existed has, eventually, burnt out or changed so drastically that it's almost unrecognizable.

I think this has more to do with human nature than anything; it stays the same, a focus on the self, no matter what century we live in and no matter what our particular favourite "sin of the week" is.

Thank God that, throughout human history, despite us sabotaging our nations and ourselves, God's still provided us a way back to Him!

[Augstine Baker]

When any nation falls, Rome included, it's never due to just ONE particular sin to the exclusion of all others.... but generally speaking, sin itself is still the reason a nation would fall. Usually, a multitude of sins, starting with how we treat the weakest and most helpless people, and winding up with how we treat God. Ignoring this reality won't do us any good. Nations obsessed with their own power, and their own will being done rather than God's will being done always burn bright, for a while, and then they start to burn out. Every nation that's ever existed has, eventually, burnt out or changed so drastically that it's almost unrecognizable.

I think this has more to do with human nature than anything; it stays the same, a focus on the self, no matter what century we live in and no matter what our particular favourite "sin of the week" is.

Thank God that, throughout human history, despite us sabotaging our nations and ourselves, God's still provided us a way back to Him!

Sodomy was instrumental in the destruction of Phoenicia, Sodom, Greece, Rome... etc... there is one homeland which will last forever.

And I really like your bookworm.

[Bminor Mass]

just to confirm ' Your life is worth living ' is a great book written by Bishop Sheen not me!

As Mr. Rumsfeld might have said, its way outside my salary scale!

[salus]

They definitely didn't help Rome