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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2011, 12:11:PM » |
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Gerard the Silver Surfer - I saw Bob Larson in person, wayyyyyy back inna day.
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Might_4_Right
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2011, 01:54:PM » |
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The Exorcist Fr. Malachi Martin said something very interesting in an interview that might be relevant to this thread. He said that he knew of a secret Luciferin prophecy which stated that they had to fully install their dark prince in the Vatican by 1999 and if they failed to do so their long planned takeover of the Catholic church would fail. The important part is where Fr. Martin said that Pope John Paul II had to be removed, for this to take place. As time has shown us the Pope hung on past that date. So maybe JPII by disrupting this plan did more for his Church than we know.
Quote from Fr. Amorth:
“I have asked the demon more than once, ‘Why are you so scared of John Paul II and I have had two different responses, both interesting. One, ‘because he disrupted my plans.’"
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2011, 02:04:PM » |
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“I have asked the demon more than once, ‘Why are you so scared of John Paul II and I have had two different responses, both interesting. One, ‘because he disrupted my plans.’ And, I think that he is referring to the fall of communism in Russia and Eastern Europe. The collapse of communism.” Well, the chief exorcist just screwed up. You are NOT supposed to question a demon. |
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"God's Wrath is Glorious, and I have a front row seat"
"We can not guarantee success. We can only deserve it."
"And who do you say that I Am?"
"That one simple question, whether Jesus of Nazareth was God Incarnate, becomes increasingly decisive between people, as history moves forward. .... The answer to this question cuts into human ties and seems to reflect even on the nature of inanimate things. What if: all that is folly in the eyes of the Greeks, and scandal in the eyes of the Jews, ... is Truth?"
And there was no doubt about it -- towards Him we had been running, or from Him we had been running away, but all the time He had been in the center of things.
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StrictCatholicGirl
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2011, 02:06:PM » |
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Gerard the Silver Surfer - I saw Bob Larson in person, wayyyyyy back inna day.
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"We are afraid of God's surprises." -- Pope Francis
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2011, 02:32:PM » |
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If anything, the possibility of John Paul II being in heaven makes traditional Catholicism look rather spurious, that's all.
Vetus, I know you've created a very "tight" narrative for yourself about traditionalism in the light of Vatican II but we're the laity, we're not going to be able to know everything. For us to obey Christ in the light of traditional church teaching should be sufficient. Traditional Catholicism is true religion, so I don't really think anything can make it spurious. I think all questions will be answered one day and it could take decades and centuries to sort some of this nonsense out so I wouldn't worry too much about it. The whole point of the Christian religion is to give glory to God and to offer the faithful the entrance to Heaven and eternal life. That's why belonging to Christ's Church is essential, among other things that our religion infallibly teaches us because it proceeds from God Himself who cannot deceive nor be deceived. John Paul II, however, is the antithesis of this traditional Catholicism which we believe to be the truth. He incarnated in very public terms what we can call "liberal Catholicism", a corruption of the faith that excommunicated the Church's past and her hard teachings concerning salvation that had bothered those outside the Church for so long. If an impenitent man like that can be saved, why even bother with traditional Catholicism at all? Certainly, it becomes at least irrelevant, if not spurious. After all, you can lead a regular Novus Ordo Catholic life, indistinguishable from a Protestant, and be on the road to salvation. Heck, even a Muslim or a Jew can! |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2011, 02:39:PM » |
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If anything, the possibility of John Paul II being in heaven makes traditional Catholicism look rather spurious, that's all.
Vetus, I know you've created a very "tight" narrative for yourself about traditionalism in the light of Vatican II but we're the laity, we're not going to be able to know everything. For us to obey Christ in the light of traditional church teaching should be sufficient. Traditional Catholicism is true religion, so I don't really think anything can make it spurious. I think all questions will be answered one day and it could take decades and centuries to sort some of this nonsense out so I wouldn't worry too much about it. The whole point of the Christian religion is to give glory to God and to offer the faithful the entrance to Heaven and eternal life. That's why belonging to Christ's Church is essential, among other things that our religion infallibly teaches us because it proceeds from God Himself who cannot deceive nor be deceived. John Paul II, however, is the antithesis of this traditional Catholicism which we believe to be the truth. He incarnated in very public terms what we can call "liberal Catholicism", a corruption of the faith that excommunicated the Church's past and her hard teachings concerning salvation that had bothered those outside the Church for so long. If an impenitent man like that can be saved, why even bother with traditional Catholicism at all? Certainly, it becomes at least irrelevant, if not spurious. After all, you can lead a regular Novus Ordo Catholic life, indistinguishable from a Protestant, and be on the road to salvation. Heck, even a Muslim or a Jew can! Wow. "If John Paul II might be in heaven, what's the point?" If you get to the pearly gates and St. Peter tells you that John Paul II is inside, will you still want to go in? |
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The greatest of all misfortunes is never to have known Jesus Christ: yet such a state is free from the sin of obstinancy and ingratitude. But first to have known Him, and afterwards to deny or forget Him, is a crime so foul and so insane that it seems impossible for any man to be guilty of it. For Christ is the fountain-head of all good. --- Leo XIII, Tametsi
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Vetus Ordo
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2011, 02:43:PM » |
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Wow. "If John Paul II might be in heaven, what's the point?" If you get to the pearly gates and St. Peter tells you that John Paul II is inside, will you still want to go in?
As far as I can see the thing is: unless he had deathbed conversion, there's no way John Paul II, a man who publicly forfeited Catholic teaching in the name of Ecumenism, be in Heaven. It's the same thing as saying Luther is in Heaven, and so forth. Unless, of course, God has changed the rules and faith is no longer a requisite for salvation. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2011, 03:20:PM » |
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Matthew 18:21-35.
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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2011, 03:31:PM » |
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Matthew 18:21-35 Does not say one is dispensed from having the virtue of faith in order to be saved. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2011, 04:03:PM » |
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The Catholic News Agency article says "It is here, though, that Father Gabriele Amorth has carried out most of his 70,000 exorcisms over the past 26 years." 70,000 exorcisms divided by 26 years is over 2,692 exorcisms per year. 2,692 exorcisms divided by 365 days is over 7 exorcisms per day; every day for the last 26 years.  |
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