Benedict XVI given Papal tiara

[CrusaderKing]

Does this moment seem almost like a Twilight zone episode? A German Catholic businessman with the help of the Bulgarian Orthodox make the Holy Father a Triregnum. He needed the orthodox to help him make this and present this to the Holy Father. A German idea that was made by Eastern Orthodox. I also have heard no opposition from liberals yet the Neo-Catholics I know as well as at NLM and WDTPRS are going nuts over this. Why is it always the Neo-Caths that are the most anti-trads. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too with this tiara. They think it looks pretty but don't want the Holy father to wear it. Or they want it worn once for a coronation and never worn again. You would think the Liberals and Orthodox would hate the Tiara yet its the Neo-Caths that are downplaying it and hoping it never gets used.

Because the neo-Caths can't stand the Tiara and what it represents. For them, it's reminiscent of Catholic "Triumphalism" as they subtly or even not so subtly criticize and/or condemn the Church  circa from the time of Constantine to the Papacies of John XXIII and Paul VI. Here's an example of one of their arguments against the Tiara: "Popes didn't wear the Tiara in the early Church, and the only crown Christ wore was a crown of thorns, and that He said His kingdom was not of this world."   They forget that Christ founded a Church that was to organically grow, and before His Ascension He said that full authority had been given to Him in Heaven and on earth.

[Walty]

Does this moment seem almost like a Twilight zone episode? A German Catholic businessman with the help of the Bulgarian Orthodox make the Holy Father a Triregnum. He needed the orthodox to help him make this and present this to the Holy Father. A German idea that was made by Eastern Orthodox. I also have heard no opposition from liberals yet the Neo-Catholics I know as well as at NLM and WDTPRS are going nuts over this. Why is it always the Neo-Caths that are the most anti-trads. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too with this tiara. They think it looks pretty but don't want the Holy father to wear it. Or they want it worn once for a coronation and never worn again. You would think the Liberals and Orthodox would hate the Tiara yet its the Neo-Caths that are downplaying it and hoping it never gets used.

The neo-Catholics love the smells and bells because it's "radical" and makes them look like a roguish subculture.  This is fun for many of them.  They reject traditionalism for what it is, but will accept the externals almost vehemently if they are accepted in any way by the Holy Father.  They miss the entire point and yet they often accuse trads of being stuck on superficialities.  It is precisely the opposite.  Trads support an internal disposition to Truth which must be reflected in a certain way externally.  Neo-Catholics follow an ever-changing religion which falls in love with externals that reflect nothing in their faith, but merely reflect their own me-centered emotions.

The real question is what would become of the Neo-Catholics if/when the Reformer Pope comes.  Will they follow their popolatry right into traditionalism or will they hold instead to the Council?

Either way, what a day it is when the Orthodox are offering the pope to externally show his place of preeminence among men while the popes have themselves declined this.

[Melita]

there are neo-catholics now?...

[StrictCatholicGirl]

The real question is what would become of the Neo-Catholics if/when the Reformer Pope comes.  Will they follow their popolatry right into traditionalism or will they hold instead to the Council?

They would follow him because they are "sheeple."   

Accusing Catholics of "popolatry" is Protestant rhetoric. That's the real irony, Walty.

[vakarian]

The real question is what would become of the Neo-Catholics if/when the Reformer Pope comes.  Will they follow their popolatry right into traditionalism or will they hold instead to the Council?

They would follow him because they are "sheeple."   

Accusing Catholics of "popolatry" is Protestant rhetoric. That's the real irony, Walty.

No, it isn't just Prot rhetoric--not anymore. I think it is apt to accuse some catholics of popolatry. Just look at those who demanded immediate sainthood for JPII.

[The_Harlequin_King]

The neo-Catholics love the smells and bells because it's "radical" and makes them look like a roguish subculture.  This is fun for many of them.

Is that really true? I tend to think of neo-Catholics as "squares".

[SouthpawLink]

there are neo-catholics now?...

Yes, the term has been around for almost a decade, first appearing in Ferrara and Woods' book, The Great Façade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty.  It's the crowd that adores Vatican II, the post-conciliar popes and their reforms, and EWTN.  Need I say more? 

[Melita]

there are neo-catholics now?...

Yes, the term has been around for almost a decade, first appearing in Ferrara and Woods' book, The Great Façade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty.  It's the crowd that adores Vatican II, the post-conciliar popes and their reforms, and EWTN.  Need I say more? 

Never heard it used before, tho I imagined it was divisive. Did you use the word "adore" specifically to imply they're offering idolatrous worship (latria) to something other than God? If not... I like our current pope, and the V2 documents I've actually read seem interesting, and can be interpreted in orthodox ways (as they should be). I also listen to Mother Angelica recordings on youtube quite often.

Do I qualify?

[SouthpawLink]

there are neo-catholics now?...

Yes, the term has been around for almost a decade, first appearing in Ferrara and Woods' book, The Great Façade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty.  It's the crowd that adores Vatican II, the post-conciliar popes and their reforms, and EWTN.  Need I say more? 

Never heard it used before, tho I imagined it was divisive. Did you use the word "adore" specifically to imply they're offering idolatrous worship (latria) to something other than God? If not... I like our current pope, and the V2 documents I've actually read seem interesting, and can be interpreted in orthodox ways (as they should be). I also listen to Mother Angelica recordings on youtube quite often.

Do I qualify?

I don't think it's my place to make that call.  ;)  Anyway, no, I did not mean idolatrous worship.  I suppose we can go by Fish Eaters' definition, which I think allows the possibility for Vatican II to be interpreted in an orthodox manner (although I happen to disagree on that point).  I haven't seen every one of Mother Angelica's shows, but I do have a generally good opinion of her.  For me personally, "traditional Catholicism" is primarily about the Faith itself, and I should admit that I have reservations about both the Council itself and the post-conciliar Magisterium.  I'll leave it at that, and besides, this isn't the thread to discuss that. 

[WhollyRoaminCatholic]

there are neo-catholics now?...

Yes, the term has been around for almost a decade, first appearing in Ferrara and Woods' book, The Great Façade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty.  It's the crowd that adores Vatican II, the post-conciliar popes and their reforms, and EWTN.  Need I say more? 

Never heard it used before, tho I imagined it was divisive. Did you use the word "adore" specifically to imply they're offering idolatrous worship (latria) to something other than God? If not... I like our current pope, and the V2 documents I've actually read seem interesting, and can be interpreted in orthodox ways (as they should be). I also listen to Mother Angelica recordings on youtube quite often.

Do I qualify?

It is a not very useful term to pigeonhole traddish Novus Ordinarians.