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« Reply #90 on: February 20, 2012, 06:34:PM »
I do believe in the crisis.

I don't believe in an "emergency"

Big difference.

There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments.
Not an emergency.
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« Reply #91 on: February 20, 2012, 06:39:PM »
Quote from: Old Salt
I do believe in the crisis.

I don't believe in an "emergency"

Big difference.

There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments.
Not an emergency.

Pity that you resort to semantics.
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« Reply #92 on: February 20, 2012, 06:49:PM »
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Quote from: Old Salt
I do believe in the crisis.

I don't believe in an "emergency"

Big difference.

There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments.
Not an emergency.
200 valid regularized priests are not "semantics".
I would call them the absence of an emergency.

Pity that you resort to semantics.
  200 valid regularized priests are not "semantics".
I would call them the absence of an emergency.
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« Reply #93 on: February 20, 2012, 06:51:PM »
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I do believe in the crisis.

I don't believe in an "emergency"

Big difference.

There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments.
Not an emergency.

Well there you go. This is the "conservative" position.

I strongly disagree with you, and vice versa, but I still regard you as a fellow Catholic, Mr. Hunter.
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« Reply #94 on: February 20, 2012, 08:20:PM »
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Of course this would be the one occassion you plead ignorance  Eye-roll

Nasty personal remarks do not add to one's persuasiveness.
"There are several factors I consider when judging whom to trust.  One of these is whether they are in full communion with the pope."
This isn't nasty?
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« Reply #95 on: February 20, 2012, 08:25:PM »
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Quote from: Old Salt

There is no "state of emergency" at least in diocese that have regularized priests, since they can give absolution no matter what the state of their soul is and no matter what advice they give.



Quote from: Old Salt
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Which is your diocese Old Salt?

Diocese of Raleigh.
And you don't believe there is a Crisis?
http://www.eurekaencyclopedia.com/index.php/Category:Diocese_of_Raleigh

http://www.unc.edu/~ndkumar/letter.htm
http://www.dioceseofraleigh.org/news/view.aspx?id=1323
http://www.dioceseofraleigh.org/news/view.aspx?id=1278
http://stfrancisraleigh.wordpress.com/pastoral-ministries-overview/family-life/gay-lesbian/




Those links above are from priests and parochial groups that are in full communion with the pope.
Great places to place your trust on.
Just sayin,.
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« Reply #96 on: February 20, 2012, 09:24:PM »
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Of course this would be the one occassion you plead ignorance  Eye-roll

Nasty personal remarks do not add to one's persuasiveness.
"There are several factors I consider when judging whom to trust.  One of these is whether they are in full communion with the pope."
This isn't nasty?

I didn't say it to be nasty.  I said it because it really makes a difference to me.  I think that full communion with the pope is important.
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« Reply #97 on: February 20, 2012, 09:49:PM »
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Quote from: GottmitunsAlex
Quote from: Old Salt

There is no "state of emergency" at least in diocese that have regularized priests, since they can give absolution no matter what the state of their soul is and no matter what advice they give.



Quote from: Old Salt
Quote from: GottmitunsAlex
Which is your diocese Old Salt?

Diocese of Raleigh.
And you don't believe there is a Crisis?
http://www.eurekaencyclopedia.com/index.php/Category:Diocese_of_Raleigh

http://www.unc.edu/~ndkumar/letter.htm
http://www.dioceseofraleigh.org/news/view.aspx?id=1323
http://www.dioceseofraleigh.org/news/view.aspx?id=1278
http://stfrancisraleigh.wordpress.com/pastoral-ministries-overview/family-life/gay-lesbian/




Those links above are from priests and parochial groups that are in full communion with the pope.
Great places to place your trust on.
Just sayin,.
I was addressing the fact that there are 200 plus valid priests in this diocese who can dispense valid sacraments.
Not their personal morality or what is taught here.
That is another issue entirely, but it does not effect the office they hold as regularized priest with the power to absolve sins and confect the Blessed Sacrament.

An emergency in this situation is one in which there are no priests or next to none to minister to tens of thousands of Catholics.
It is not quite that bad here.
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« Reply #98 on: February 20, 2012, 11:06:PM »
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Of course this would be the one occassion you plead ignorance  Eye-roll

Nasty personal remarks do not add to one's persuasiveness.
"There are several factors I consider when judging whom to trust.  One of these is whether they are in full communion with the pope."
This isn't nasty?

I didn't say it to be nasty.  I said it because it really makes a difference to me.  I think that full communion with the pope is important.

There is no such thing as "partial communion".  Think about it.  As I mentioned to Old Salt in another thread

"There's a reason why Rome always talks about "partial communion" even though there's no such thing.  It's because they can't think of any other way to keep the SSPX in no-man's land (which is where Rome wants to keep them for 2 reasons: can't actually kick 'em out, can't admit Rome is wrong either, DANG!).  Ultimately, many prelates hate tradition, and the SSPX in particular, but deep down, any that actually know the situation will have to admit that there is no problem with the SSPX, just Rome.  When Rome gets its ducks in a row, the SSPX "issue" will simply disappear."
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« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2012, 02:35:AM »
The salvation of souls is the supreme law of the Church. I've confessed to SSPX priests many times.

This is a false and pharisaical question to begin with.
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