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« Reply #130 on: February 23, 2012, 05:49:PM » |
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There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
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« Reply #131 on: February 23, 2012, 08:17:PM » |
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Again:
There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
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" When I think that we are in the building of the Holy Office, the outstanding witness of Tradition and defender of the Catholic Faith, I cannot help thinking that I am on my own territory and that it is I whom you call ' the traditionalist' who should be judging you." - quote from Archbishop Lefebvre when questioned by the CDF
"Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer are the two great saints of the modern Church. Once this catastrophe ends they will be instantly canonized." - Father Malachi Martin
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« Reply #132 on: February 23, 2012, 08:36:PM » |
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Again:
There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
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« Reply #133 on: February 23, 2012, 09:04:PM » |
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Again:
There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
Right.... Right I gave you the link a week ago that said Cardinal Mayer said common error was present in SSPX chapels and that their confessions were valid. Sure it was from an SSPX/Campos source. So what. Are they lying? |
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" When I think that we are in the building of the Holy Office, the outstanding witness of Tradition and defender of the Catholic Faith, I cannot help thinking that I am on my own territory and that it is I whom you call ' the traditionalist' who should be judging you." - quote from Archbishop Lefebvre when questioned by the CDF
"Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer are the two great saints of the modern Church. Once this catastrophe ends they will be instantly canonized." - Father Malachi Martin
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« Reply #134 on: February 23, 2012, 10:48:PM » |
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Again:
There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
Right.... Right I gave you the link a week ago that said Cardinal Mayer said common error was present in SSPX chapels and that their confessions were valid. Sure it was from an SSPX/Campos source. So what. Are they lying? |
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"Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation. When there was need to observe the Law, they trampled it under foot. Now that the Law has ceased to bind, they obstinately strive to observe it. What could be more pitiable that those who provoke God not only by transgressing the Law but also by keeping it? But at any rate the Jews say that they, too, adore God. God forbid that I say that. No Jew adores God! Who say so? The Son of God say so. For he said: "If you were to know my Father, you would also know me. But you neither know me nor do you know my Father". Could I produce a witness more trustworthy than the Son of God?" St. John Chrysostom Sunday Homily
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« Reply #135 on: February 23, 2012, 10:55:PM » |
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Again:
There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
Right.... Right I gave you the link a week ago that said Cardinal Mayer said common error was present in SSPX chapels and that their confessions were valid. Sure it was from an SSPX/Campos source. So what. Are they lying? Right. |
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« Reply #136 on: February 24, 2012, 11:53:AM » |
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Again:
There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
Right.... Right I gave you the link a week ago that said Cardinal Mayer said common error was present in SSPX chapels and that their confessions were valid. Sure it was from an SSPX/Campos source. So what. Are they lying? Ideally the letter would be provided in full so that the entire context would be available. But all I can find is repeated references to "Letter 1885/89/4", without any of the text of the letter. As it is, we do not know the context of the inquiry and to what specific situation the Cardinal was responding. So it remains unconvincing as a proof that the Holy See recognizes the validity of SSPX absolutions. |
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« Reply #137 on: February 24, 2012, 05:05:PM » |
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Again:
There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
Right.... Right I gave you the link a week ago that said Cardinal Mayer said common error was present in SSPX chapels and that their confessions were valid. Sure it was from an SSPX/Campos source. So what. Are they lying? Ideally the letter would be provided in full so that the entire context would be available. But all I can find is repeated references to "Letter 1885/89/4", without any of the text of the letter. As it is, we do not know the context of the inquiry and to what specific situation the Cardinal was responding. So it remains unconvincing as a proof that the Holy See recognizes the validity of SSPX absolutions. So what about the reserved sin cases that the Holy See ok'd? What about the marriages in Africa considered valid that Bishop Fellay spoke of in the past? |
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" When I think that we are in the building of the Holy Office, the outstanding witness of Tradition and defender of the Catholic Faith, I cannot help thinking that I am on my own territory and that it is I whom you call ' the traditionalist' who should be judging you." - quote from Archbishop Lefebvre when questioned by the CDF
"Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer are the two great saints of the modern Church. Once this catastrophe ends they will be instantly canonized." - Father Malachi Martin
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« Reply #138 on: February 24, 2012, 07:50:PM » |
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Again:
There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
Right.... Right I gave you the link a week ago that said Cardinal Mayer said common error was present in SSPX chapels and that their confessions were valid. Sure it was from an SSPX/Campos source. So what. Are they lying? Ideally the letter would be provided in full so that the entire context would be available. But all I can find is repeated references to "Letter 1885/89/4", without any of the text of the letter. As it is, we do not know the context of the inquiry and to what specific situation the Cardinal was responding. So it remains unconvincing as a proof that the Holy See recognizes the validity of SSPX absolutions. So what about the reserved sin cases that the Holy See ok'd? What about the marriages in Africa considered valid that Bishop Fellay spoke of in the past? In a case where a priest of the SSPX refers a reserved sin case to the Holy See and receives permission to absolve, etc. then clearly the absolution is valid, because there is a specific intent of the supreme legislator that this particular absolution be valid. I don't see how anyone could interpret that to mean that the Holy See considers all SSPX absolutions to be valid. In the case of marriages, once again we need specifics to be able to understand what is going on. |
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« Reply #139 on: February 24, 2012, 08:13:PM » |
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Again:
There is a crisis.
There is no "emergency"
at least in my diocese.
Big difference.
There are still over 200 priests in my diocese who can validly dispense sacraments. And these priests can do backflips at the Consecration, but they still have faculties to absolve sins. SSPX priests, as pious and holy as they personally are, do not have this ability other than the two cases the Holy See cites.
A crisis,
Not an emergency.
Right.... Right I gave you the link a week ago that said Cardinal Mayer said common error was present in SSPX chapels and that their confessions were valid. Sure it was from an SSPX/Campos source. So what. Are they lying? Ideally the letter would be provided in full so that the entire context would be available. But all I can find is repeated references to "Letter 1885/89/4", without any of the text of the letter. As it is, we do not know the context of the inquiry and to what specific situation the Cardinal was responding. So it remains unconvincing as a proof that the Holy See recognizes the validity of SSPX absolutions. So what about the reserved sin cases that the Holy See ok'd? What about the marriages in Africa considered valid that Bishop Fellay spoke of in the past? In a case where a priest of the SSPX refers a reserved sin case to the Holy See and receives permission to absolve, etc. then clearly the absolution is valid, because there is a specific intent of the supreme legislator that this particular absolution be valid. I don't see how anyone could interpret that to mean that the Holy See considers all SSPX absolutions to be valid. In the case of marriages, once again we need specifics to be able to understand what is going on. So the Holy See is in the business of handing out temporary jursidiction and then taking it away again. What about the nun that was allowed to transfer to a traditional convent. Did the Holy See give her spiritual director jurisdiction ? If not, they are putting this poor woman's soul in peril. |
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"Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer are the two great saints of the modern Church. Once this catastrophe ends they will be instantly canonized." - Father Malachi Martin
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