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JayneK
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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2011, 02:03:PM »

                 

One thing is to have a membership to the "theologia et philosophia" subforum where a certain education and interest on the subject is expected.

Another thing is to have a membership to a subforum dealing with Jews and Zionists. Is it a special field of study now?

Certainly, there's a certain "science" when learning to walk on eggshells, I grant you that.

It seems to me that the "special" requirement is the ability to be rational. 
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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2011, 02:20:PM »

It seems to me that the "special" requirement is the ability to be rational. 

I wonder what you mean by "rational." Is that a new code word for "political correct"?

I suspect St. John Chrysostom wouldn't meet your demands for "rationality."

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"How dare Christians have the slightest intercourse with Jews, those most miserable of all men. They are lustful, rapacious, greedy, perfidious bandits -- pests of the universe! Indeed, an entire day would not suffice to tell of all their rapine, their avarice, their deception of the poor, their thievery, and their huckstering. Are they not inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil? Jews are impure and impious, and their synagogue is a house of prostitution, a lair of beasts, a place of shame and ridicule, the domicile of the devil, as is also the soul of the Jew. As a matter of fact, Jews worship the devil: their rites are criminal and unchaste; their religion a disease; their synagogue an assembly of crooks, a den of thieves, a cavern of devils, an abyss of perdition! Why are Jews degenerate? Because of their hateful assassination of Christ. This supreme crime lies at the root of their degradation and woes. The rejection and dispersion of the Jews was the work of God, not of emperors. It was done by the wrath of God and because of His absolute abandonment of the Jews. Thus, the Jew will live under the yoke of slavery without end. God hates the Jews, and on Judgment Day He will say to those who sympathize with them., “Depart from Me, for you have had intercourse with My murderers!” Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and, far from venerating the synagogue, hold it in hatred and aversion."

Unfortunately, the "special requirement" here is to walk on eggshells and don't make waves whenever Jewry is the topic of discussion.

Given the state of lunacy of the western world, it's actually a legal requirement. That's why Quis and Vox closed the subforum: so that FE doesn't get in legal trouble. I don't blame them for that, I blame the Jews.
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)

"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome

"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2011, 03:03:PM »

It seems to me that the "special" requirement is the ability to be rational. 

I wonder what you mean by "rational." Is that a new code word for "political correct"?

I suspect St. John Chrysostom wouldn't meet your demands for "rationality."

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"How dare Christians have the slightest intercourse with Jews, those most miserable of all men. They are lustful, rapacious, greedy, perfidious bandits -- pests of the universe! Indeed, an entire day would not suffice to tell of all their rapine, their avarice, their deception of the poor, their thievery, and their huckstering. Are they not inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil? Jews are impure and impious, and their synagogue is a house of prostitution, a lair of beasts, a place of shame and ridicule, the domicile of the devil, as is also the soul of the Jew. As a matter of fact, Jews worship the devil: their rites are criminal and unchaste; their religion a disease; their synagogue an assembly of crooks, a den of thieves, a cavern of devils, an abyss of perdition! Why are Jews degenerate? Because of their hateful assassination of Christ. This supreme crime lies at the root of their degradation and woes. The rejection and dispersion of the Jews was the work of God, not of emperors. It was done by the wrath of God and because of His absolute abandonment of the Jews. Thus, the Jew will live under the yoke of slavery without end. God hates the Jews, and on Judgment Day He will say to those who sympathize with them., “Depart from Me, for you have had intercourse with My murderers!” Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and, far from venerating the synagogue, hold it in hatred and aversion."

Unfortunately, the "special requirement" here is to walk on eggshells and don't make waves whenever Jewry is the topic of discussion.

Given the state of lunacy of the western world, it's actually a legal requirement. That's why Quis and Vox closed the subforum: so that FE doesn't get in legal trouble. I don't blame them for that, I blame the Jews.

St. John is talking about members of the Jewish religion (post-Temple, of course), not an ethnic group.  He would probably have the same to say about Lutherans if he were around then.

The problem is that a lot of people don't make the distinction that St. John does and instead talk about "The Jews", argue about numbers, etc.  Really, if people here would look at things as St. John did, the problems with the theology only, there would be no problem.  The theology is broken, it causes problems in mindset and worldview, etc.  I'll take a risk for that discussion because it's important and relevant.

Discussions about international banking, holocaust numbers, etc., no, I'm not willing to take a risk, and I also disagree with the value or accuracy of those topics. 

It all goes back to a broken theology.  Free people of that theology and bring them into the Church, any other problems, real or imagined, go away.

So, really, Jayne is right.  It has to be rational in the sense that recognizing the only problem with "the Jews" is a false religion that is completely opposed to the Catholic Faith.  The Jewish religion relies on, or maybe even exists to, denying that Jesus is the Messiah.  You can't get any more opposed to the Catholic Faith than that.  And, vice-versa, nothing can be more opposed to Judaism than Catholicism.  The point of both religions is the Messiah.

Everything else is just noise and fallout from that simple fact.
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« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2011, 03:03:PM »

                 

One thing is to have a membership to the "theologia et philosophia" subforum where a certain education and interest on the subject is expected.

Another thing is to have a membership to a subforum dealing with Jews and Zionists. Is it a special field of study now?

Certainly, there's a certain "science" when learning to walk on eggshells, I grant you that.

It seems to me that the "special" requirement is the ability to be rational
Yea and you know just who isn't "rational" most of the time.....?

Right, Zionist Christians or crypto "catholics".


These Judaizers and Israel-firster's are more disturbed than most members of the tribe.

I've actually had more reasonable and rational conversations with ethnic Jews about Jewry and Israel than most of these brainwashed Zionists bible thumpers.
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« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2011, 03:19:PM »

So, really, Jayne is right.  It has to be rational in the sense that recognizing the only problem with "the Jews" is a false religion that is completely opposed to the Catholic Faith.  The Jewish religion relies on, or maybe even exists to, denying that Jesus is the Messiah.  You can't get any more opposed to the Catholic Faith than that.  And, vice-versa, nothing can be more opposed to Judaism than Catholicism.  The point of both religions is the Messiah.

Everything else is just noise and fallout from that simple fact.

Rather, everything else proceeds from that simple fact. Be it international banking, Freemasonry, Communism, the holocaust, etc.

The iniquity of the Jewish religion pervades their race and their actions throughout history. It's simple. It influences even those Jews who are atheists. It's true that they need to convert like anyone else but that's not just the end of the story. Most Jews don't convert and remain hostile to Christ and His Kingdom, so what are Christians to do? Pretend that International Jewry doesn't exist? That Judeo-masonry isn't the most fearsome enemy of Christendom to date? That Judaizers in the Church have simply disappeared in the mist of the 1st century? The nefarious influence of the synagogue of Satan in the Church and in the world : which has been recognised since Apostolic times : must be denounced and fought. That's all.

But then again, I don't want FE to get into legal trouble. I understand where you're coming from. It's a sad world we live in. The "fear of the Jews" has crippled us all.
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)

"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome

"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch


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« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2011, 03:48:PM »

OK, there are discussions happening here that don't belong in this subforum.  Moving the thread.
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