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« Reply #160 on: July 09, 2011, 04:38:PM » |
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Also, I have two choice words for you.
The second word is off.
The first is something you'll only ever pay for.
Edited to replace "suit" with "sh**." My Android phone autocorrected.
CollegeCatholic, if he annoys you to the point that you have to resort to this sort of nonsense, then simply ignore him. It is better for both of you that way. Just keep him in your prayers. [17] To no man rendering evil for evil. Providing good things, not only in the sight of God, but also in the sight of all men. [18] If it be possible, as much as is in you, have peace with all men. [19] Revenge not yourselves, my dearly beloved; but give place unto wrath, for it is written: Revenge is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord. [20] But if thy enemy be hungry, give him to eat; if he thirst, give him to drink. For, doing this, thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head. [21] Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil by good. I can understand why servire deo is a bit rough around the edges. He is 19 and also has not been a trad for very long. The people who are attacking him are older and have much more exposure to traditional Catholicism. I hope they take your advice INPEFESS. |
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« Reply #161 on: July 09, 2011, 05:03:PM » |
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I cannot recall ever having a thing for bad boys. In high school, I was most attracted to smart, geeky boys. In terms of fictional characters, I have always liked honourable, virtuous, heroic men - Boy Scout types. I do like it when the hero was bad in the past and has reformed and is seeking redemption through good deeds.
I see. But would you agree that there's a general tendency amongst females that make them attracted at least to some aspects of the "bad boy" type? I'm speaking of matters of attraction per se which are innate. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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« Reply #162 on: July 09, 2011, 05:07:PM » |
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I cannot recall ever having a thing for bad boys. In high school, I was most attracted to smart, geeky boys. In terms of fictional characters, I have always liked honourable, virtuous, heroic men - Boy Scout types. I do like it when the hero was bad in the past and has reformed and is seeking redemption through good deeds.
I see. But would you agree that there's a general tendency amongst females that make them attracted at least to some aspects of the "bad boy" type? I'm speaking of matters of attraction per se which are innate. From a purely biological level, that ignores all religion and culture and is thus primarily operating on original sin, women are going to be most attracted to men who are going to produce strong offspring and are able to violently defend themselves and their offspring. At the dawn of man being a "bad boy" would be a big benefit. Heck, look at the Bible. "Bad boy" Cain founded a city and married a babe! Able got his brains smashed out... With culture and religion, "bad boys" aren't as beneficial, but I think women still have that biological impulse even if they mentally oppose it. |
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JayneK
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« Reply #163 on: July 09, 2011, 05:18:PM » |
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But would you agree that there's a general tendency amongst females that make them attracted at least to some aspects of the "bad boy" type? I'm speaking of matters of attraction per se which are innate.
Yes. I have been involved in discussions at science fiction conventions where we looked at what traits make male characters attractive to female readers/ viewers. The majority of women preferred "bad boys" and I was a small minority. I think this would transfer into real life. |
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ADORABLE Saviour, consider my many wants, and grant me those graces which Thou knowest I stand in need of to do Thy will in all things.
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« Reply #164 on: July 09, 2011, 05:19:PM » |
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With culture and religion, "bad boys" aren't as beneficial, but I think women still have that biological impulse even if they mentally oppose it.
This is what I'm getting at. In very simple and raw terms, "nice guys" will never get the women they want. They'll end up either celibate, enter a monastery or marry out of desperation. |
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"THE LORD is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the protector of my life: of whom shall I be afraid?" (Psalm 26:1)
"And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." — Clement, bishop of Rome
"I love truth," says he, "and not sects. I am sometimes a peripatetic, a stoic, or an academician, and often none of them; but—always a Christian. To philosophise is to love wisdom; and the true wisdom is Jesus Christ. Let us read the historians, the poets, and the philosophers; but let us have in our hearts the gospel of Jesus Christ, in which alone is perfect wisdom and perfect happiness." — Petrarch
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JayneK
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« Reply #165 on: July 09, 2011, 05:20:PM » |
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From a purely biological level, that ignores all religion and culture and is thus primarily operating on original sin, women are going to be most attracted to men who are going to produce strong offspring and are able to violently defend themselves and their offspring. At the dawn of man being a "bad boy" would be a big benefit. Heck, look at the Bible. "Bad boy" Cain founded a city and married a babe! Able got his brains smashed out...
With culture and religion, "bad boys" aren't as beneficial, but I think women still have that biological impulse even if they mentally oppose it.
I suspect that my own attraction to very intelligent men is a variation on this. It is a survival characteristic too. |
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« Reply #166 on: July 09, 2011, 05:24:PM » |
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With culture and religion, "bad boys" aren't as beneficial, but I think women still have that biological impulse even if they mentally oppose it.
This is what I'm getting at. In very simple and raw terms, "nice guys" will never get the women they want. They'll end up either celibate, enter a monastery or marry out of desperation. I would agree that it is more difficult for nice guys, but not impossible. My husband wanted me and he got me. He was not desperate. He had a previous girlfriend who wanted to be sexually intimate with him and he turned her down because it was against his principles. |
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« Reply #167 on: July 09, 2011, 05:28:PM » |
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With culture and religion, "bad boys" aren't as beneficial, but I think women still have that biological impulse even if they mentally oppose it.
This is what I'm getting at. In very simple and raw terms, "nice guys" will never get the women they want. They'll end up either celibate, enter a monastery or marry out of desperation. This goes back to the original problem--namely, what's the definition of a "nice" guy? I've never liked bad boy types, either. They tend to come across as very selfish and arrogant. But there are "nice" guys who are actually just passive and harmless and then there are "heroes." Why is the only alternative to being a bad boy "nice"? Maybe that's the problem right there. |
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« Reply #168 on: July 09, 2011, 05:28:PM » |
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With culture and religion, "bad boys" aren't as beneficial, but I think women still have that biological impulse even if they mentally oppose it.
This is what I'm getting at. In very simple and raw terms, "nice guys" will never get the women they want. They'll end up either celibate, enter a monastery or marry out of desperation. No, because women don't operate only on impulse and instinct....despite how often it appears this to be the case :-p |
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« Reply #169 on: July 09, 2011, 05:29:PM » |
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Why is the only alternative to being a bad boy "nice"? Maybe that's the problem right there.
We men are simple creatures. We tend to only operate in 2 modes. |
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