The Third Secret of Fatima

[LausTibiChriste]

My mom left the Church over Vatican II and to this day she has not gone back to Mass. I'd take her to a good Latin Mass but I do not live in the same state as her. She's a Catholic at heart but cannot make sense of Vatican II. In some ways I really can't blame her. It is an act of faith in and of itself to keep plugging along when it seems like the Popes themselves along with the bishops have foisted all of this mess on us while saying in effect that nothing has really changed, that the Novus Ordo and the Mass of Ages are both part of the same Lex Orandi of the Church. Bizarre times we live in.

That is so sad. I'll say a little prayer for your Mom...I'm sure there are MANY just like her. 

[James02]

 

The biggest question I have is, why? Why did the Vicar of Christ allow a Council whose advisers where the whose who of suspected heretics? Why did another Vicar of Christ try to destroy the traditional Mass? Why was literally NOTHING left unchanged and untouched in the aftermath of Vatican II including the Rosary?

+Williamson said it best.  The Popes have had diseased minds.  Personalism and modernism have clouded their minds.

What you will hear them say is that the collapse in society was going to happen anyway, and it would have been worse without Vpoo.  Not realizing the lack of action by Popes and bishops against Democrat baby killers, for instance, the refusal to fight due to their marxist subversion, was THE CAUSE.

So it was all going to happen.  Of course they have to now disown *cough cough* the reason for calling the Council -- the great optimism of the new religion of man.  So now we are led to believe the Council was caused due to the great PESSIMISM of man, that it was all going to collapse anyway.  180 degrees.  You could laugh if you weren't crying.

However, my suspicion is that Pope Benedict AT LEAST suspects that the Council and the new Mess are a problem.  He specifically said his two biggest failures were Fatima and his dealings with the FSSPX.    That says a lot.

[formerbuddhist]

"However, my suspicion is that Pope Benedict AT LEAST suspects that the Council and the new Mess are a problem.  He specifically said his two biggest failures were Fatima and his dealings with the FSSPX.    That says a lot."

I agree with you about this. I too believe that Benedict XVI at least on some level knows that something is wrong and that it just might have to do with the "Council" and the Novus Ordo but he is at a loss for how to really deal with the mess since it has left practically nothing untouched. Part of his own hesitation in really facing up to things is that he was intimately involved in Vatican II and has a personal stake in its success. No one wants to believe that something they were a part of--especially something as significant as an Ecumenical Council--could be a total disaster with no fruit. All I know is that I think there will be no real significant change in the way things are until we get a pope and an episcopate where no one has any personal stake in Vatican II.

On another note the other night I was thinking about papal infallibility and just why it was proclaimed as a dogma when it was and then it dawned on me, perhaps it was timely because God knew that in the future, after the chaos of Vatican II, it would have to be the Pope and the Pope alone that could bring sanity back into the Church and using his charism of infallibility to once and for all settle things would be a good way of doing it. It seems like nothing short of a solemn pronouncement by the Pope himself will be enough to stop the madness dead in its tracks but alas I do not think the current Pope is the one to do it. He might recognize things but he is personally wrapped up in a Council he was such an integral part in.

[mikemac]

In a recent letter from Father Gruner he said things are changing in Rome.  While in Rome Father Gruner said a high ranking Vatican prelate came up to him and told him to keep up the good work.  It turned out that it was Cardinal Sodano's secretary.  Father Gruner said before the Consecration Now conference in Rome this past May Pope Benedict said there will be no consecration this time.  For some reason after the Consecration Now conference the Pope changed his mind and decided to consecrate Italy to Our Lady.

In the most recent letter that accompanies the Summer 2011, Issue 99 of The Fatima Crusader Father Gruner again says things are changing in Rome and writes;

After his address, Pope Benedict passed our group and blessed Our Lady's Statue.  Amazing!  Nothing happens by accident. Providence is always at work.

The Pope Has Blessed Our Statue And Our Efforts!

Now we must help the Holy Father in every way we can.  He wants to perform the consecration.  He even consecrated Italy to Our Lady after our conference - with the bishops of Italy.

In this letter Father Gruner is asking us to get Issue 99 of The Fatima Crusader into the hands of every bishop in the world.  Father Gruner also says, "Along with The Fatima Crusader, I want to offer every bishop free DVDS of the conference talks.  At the very least, if you will help me, I can offer them the talks by their fellow bishops."

Father Gruner is referring to the three bishops that spoke at the Consecration Now conference.

Father Gruner highlights some of what is in this issue of The Fatima Crusader including talks from the conference by himself, Bishop Khoarai, Bishop Mata Guevara, Bishop Fortunatus Lukanima, Coralie Graham, Father Paul Kramer and Christopher Ferrara, all ending with: CONSECRATE RUSSIA!

Father Gruner ends the letter by saying;

So, please, stay with Our Lady's Apostolate a little longer.  Her triumph is close - very close.  Let's not rest until every bishop in the world is ready to join the Pope in the one simple act that will save the world and countless souls.

There is not a person on the planet that has worked as hard as Father Gruner to see the Consecration of Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart.  He truly deserves our support.
http://www.fatima.org/       

[Tim]

Mike, you're among Our Lady's Own Regiment here. We will fight to the death with a last Ave on our lips.

tim

[jovan66102]

Mike, you're among Our Lady's Own Regiment here. We will fight to the death with a last Ave on our lips.

tim

QFT. Fr Gruner is an amazing man. I was privileged to assist at his Mass and have lunch with him many years ago.

[thomas7]

In a recent letter from Father Gruner he said things are changing in Rome.  While in Rome Father Gruner said a high ranking Vatican prelate came up to him and told him to keep up the good work.  It turned out that it was Cardinal Sodano's secretary.  Father Gruner said before the Consecration Now conference in Rome this past May Pope Benedict said there will be no consecration this time.  For some reason after the Consecration Now conference the Pope changed his mind and decided to consecrate Italy to Our Lady.

In the most recent letter that accompanies the Summer 2011, Issue 99 of The Fatima Crusader Father Gruner again says things are changing in Rome and writes;

After his address, Pope Benedict passed our group and blessed Our Lady's Statue.  Amazing!  Nothing happens by accident. Providence is always at work.

The Pope Has Blessed Our Statue And Our Efforts!

Now we must help the Holy Father in every way we can.  He wants to perform the consecration.  He even consecrated Italy to Our Lady after our conference - with the bishops of Italy.

In this letter Father Gruner is asking us to get Issue 99 of The Fatima Crusader into the hands of every bishop in the world.  Father Gruner also says, "Along with The Fatima Crusader, I want to offer every bishop free DVDS of the conference talks.  At the very least, if you will help me, I can offer them the talks by their fellow bishops."

Father Gruner is referring to the three bishops that spoke at the Consecration Now conference.

Father Gruner highlights some of what is in this issue of The Fatima Crusader including talks from the conference by himself, Bishop Khoarai, Bishop Mata Guevara, Bishop Fortunatus Lukanima, Coralie Graham, Father Paul Kramer and Christopher Ferrara, all ending with: CONSECRATE RUSSIA!

Father Gruner ends the letter by saying;

So, please, stay with Our Lady's Apostolate a little longer.  Her triumph is close - very close.  Let's not rest until every bishop in the world is ready to join the Pope in the one simple act that will save the world and countless souls.

There is not a person on the planet that has worked as hard as Father Gruner to see the Consecration of Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart.  He truly deserves our support.http://www.fatima.org/       

 

So true!  Not only has he worked hard but he has been spot on with everything , and that includes things traditional as well.

[mikemac]

I like when Father Gruner get's optimistic.  "Her triumph is close - very close."

[Peter J]

The biggest question I have is, why? Why did the Vicar of Christ allow a Council whose advisers where the whose who of suspected heretics? Why did another Vicar of Christ try to destroy the traditional Mass? Why was literally NOTHING left unchanged and untouched in the aftermath of Vatican II including the Rosary?

+Williamson said it best.  The Popes have had diseased minds.  Personalism and modernism have clouded their minds.

What you will hear them say is that the collapse in society was going to happen anyway, and it would have been worse without Vpoo.  Not realizing the lack of action by Popes and bishops against Democrat baby killers, for instance, the refusal to fight due to their marxist subversion, was THE CAUSE.

So it was all going to happen.  Of course they have to now disown *cough cough* the reason for calling the Council -- the great optimism of the new religion of man.  So now we are led to believe the Council was caused due to the great PESSIMISM of man, that it was all going to collapse anyway.  180 degrees.  You could laugh if you weren't crying.

However, my suspicion is that Pope Benedict AT LEAST suspects that the Council and the new Mess are a problem.  He specifically said his two biggest failures were Fatima and his dealings with the FSSPX.    That says a lot.

Do you remember where that quote can be find? I'd like to read it.

[Peter J]

In suppressing the Third Secret from the World, did Bl. Pope John XXIII do so in order to purposely wreak havoc on the world with Vatican II? The third secret might have stopped all of that, but I believe that he had another agenda. What do you think?

No, I really don't think that Pope John XXIII set out to "purposely wreak havoc on the world".