Joining

[NOtard]

Hi,

As my screen name makes clear, I'm not a traditional Catholic.  In fact, I think that having Mass in a language that the people all understand is a GOOD thing.  But I'm not here to express my opinions, which I'm sure will be very unwelcome in this crowd. 

I'm here because I've been told that NOT all trads failed high school physics (or learned it but didn't believe it, and believe that all that space stuff is a government conspiracy), NOT all trads have a faith that THEY ADMIT crumbles when exposed to real life, NOT all trads refer to the Body of Christ as "cookies", NOT all trads are racists, NOT all trads show contempt for everybody that doesn't agree with them, and so on.  But when I point out that I've been reading FE for months and those certainly seem to be the consensus opinions, I'm told that no, there are a whole bunch of other opinions, but people have grown tired of expressing them, so only the vocal fringe is the externally visible voice of FE and the trad movement.  These other opinions (supposedly the "majority" opinions) are expressed in polls and in private subforums, neither of which are visible to non-members.  So I've been asked to either stop reading FE, or to register so that I can see ALL the points of view.  I've chosen the latter, for now.

[MaidenofGod]

Hey , welcome to FE!

[Someone1776]

Welcome to Fish Eaters.

Traditional Catholicism draws many kinds of people and so does this forum. And just like really life its often the people with the most extreme voices that have the loudest voices. In some cases this extremism is warranted, in others not. This said I think everyone from time to time contributes something worthwhile. Quis, the admin, gives us a lot of freedom here and that has its pluses and minuses.

I think trying to generalize about trad culture is as full of pit falls as trying to generalize about any group. Trads here are pretty united in their love of the TLM and tradition, but beyond that things get dicey. So for example in the political realm we have people ranging from anarchists to monarchists.

Although most people are trads, not all are. It seems to me that people here often tend to be much more gentle toward non-trads than trads. I think if you seek a slightly more respectful tone you might end up having some fruitful conversations here. Who knows maybe in a few months you will be attending the TLM and believe the sun rotates around the Earth! 

[MaterLaeta]

First of all, welcome to the Tank.   

Now on to the other.  There are some strange cookies here on the forum.  It doesn't take long to learn who they are.  My personal strategy is to avoid them

Trads are a pretty diverse group and some times the extremists do shout the others down.

On the other hand, after doing personal research, I now hold some views that some of my friends consider strange, like on the 3rd Secret of Fatima and the Consecration of Russia.  When I first got here, I thought some of the people that held the view that the Consecration hasn't been done and the 3rd Secret hasn't been revealed were out in left field. 

Just keep an open mind and ask questions.  Usually people are willing to explain.  If you are afraid to ask a question on the forum, PM me or ask one of the people with the LIttle Red Wagons by their names.

I hope you enjoy your time in the Tank.

[Someone1776]

Also I have never seen or heard of a trad refer to the Eucharist as a cookie. Devotion toward the Eucharist and belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is near universal among trads.

Also, yes the polls do show more diversity than the forums indicate. According to polls 1in 5 members solely  attend the NO although you wouldn't guess that from the posts here.

[NOtard]

Also I have never seen or heard of a trad refer to the Eucharist as a cookie. Devotion toward the Eucharist and belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is near universal among trads.

I'm sorry, I will have to retract my statement.  I didn't actually see the post myself where this was allegedly done, and a search (another feature available only to members) only turns up references to literal cookies (recipes, invalid as matter for consecration, etc.).

Well, now that I've made a fool of myself by making what turns out to be an unsupportable (and offensive) accusation in my very first post, I guess I can only improve. :-)

Thank you for the welcome.

[JayneK]

Welcome to Fish Eaters, NOtard.  I agree that participating in the forum could be a good way to get a sense of the diversity that exists among trads.  And I have to admit that I am curious about what reactions you will get to the screen name you have chosen.

If you end up finding things too rough and wild the other sub-forums, you can try posting in the Harbor.  We try to have a gentler tone there.

[JayneK]

Also I have never seen or heard of a trad refer to the Eucharist as a cookie. Devotion toward the Eucharist and belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is near universal among trads.

I think I saw some references to something like that (I can't remember the exact term) when I first started posting but Quis was clamping down on it.  It would have been before your time.  As I recall, it was a put down of the Novus Ordo Eucharist rather than the Eucharist in general.  We can't say that accepting the validity of the NO is a near universal among trads. Maybe some of the old-timers here can remember more.

[Someone1776]

Also I have never seen or heard of a trad refer to the Eucharist as a cookie. Devotion toward the Eucharist and belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is near universal among trads.

I think I saw some references to something like that (I can't remember the exact term) when I first started posting but Quis was clamping down on it.  It would have been before your time.  As I recall, it was a put down of the Novus Ordo Eucharist rather than the Eucharist in general.  We can't say that accepting the validity of the NO is a near universal among trads. Maybe some of the old-timers here can remember more.

Yes, a certain lurker, who will one day return, sent me a PM regarding this. 

[devotedknuckles]

the No isnt valid universally. it depends. as has been proven time and time again here. the orthodox alos have "valid" masses. a blackmass can be "valid". the only ones who use the validity argument is really the sedes or notards.
interesting bedfellows opposite the same coin.
its a red herring to tarnish most trads
anywah
welcome Notard.
hint,. missals at lmss hve both latin and english.
so u should have no plm whatsoever understanding
sip