LoneWolfRadTrad
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« on: August 08, 2011, 11:30:PM » |
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In what situations do we turn the other cheek and in what situations do we show them who they messed with?
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When you go up to receive communion, you're literally at the foot of the cross. Standing at all creation's center, the saints gather around. Martyrs, heroes staring into your very being. They lived AND died for Christ... can we say the same of ourselves? What are WE doing to further God's will in this life? Skipping Mass for our careers? Our education? Voting for heads of state, that don't recognize the source of all authority and power? They won't matter on your deathbed (or whatever end we meet).
So... why waste time with this modern world's nonsense? We have our own civilization: CHRISTENDOM. We must restore it whilst the modern world commits societal suicide.
Its naive and idealistic to believe government for man by man can succeed. Restore Christendom in our hearts and homes! Communities aren't that far off, its a numbers game.
"Accursed is the man that puts his trust in man" Book of Jeremiah Chapter XVII, verse 5.
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Raskolnikov
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2011, 10:01:AM » |
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The way I've come to interpret it: Suffer offences and insults, don't seek to be vengeful and retributive. If someone insults you (through words or actions), just take it with humilty, rather than seeking to exact upon them any kind of revenge. The 'turn the other cheek' quotation brings to mind the image of a slap to the face: i.e., an insult which damages your pride. Just bear it, and let them keep insulting you. To to insult someone back for the sake of your own satisfaction (because you've been wronged, and you want to 'get even') is an action driven by pride, and perhaps wrath. And of course this doesn't just refer to verbal insults: if you find out your wife cheated on you, don't cheat on her just to make her 'see how it feels' (for example). When we feel that we have been wronged, our natural response is the desire to act with deliberate cruelty so as to render our own kind of 'retributive justice' upon someone. Fallen nature, I guess.
I don't think Christ was saying, 'don't defend yourself if you get attacked on the street.' Acting violently in self defence is justifiable. Acting vengefully because your ego is bruised is not.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2011, 10:39:AM » |
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The interpretation of that particular verse has always been of interest to me. I think what our Lord refers to here is to avoid fighting with others strictly because they offended you. However, one would be justified if one were combating another out of defense for a worthy cause. perhaps you are angry that somebody else is being malevolent and you want to chastise him, or you are worthily defending another and/or their cause. I think this makes the most sense because we're not supposed to hate for displeasure's sake, but if we were all battered, besmirched or, worst, killed we couldn't discharge of our Apostolic mission to convert sinners.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 09:41:PM » |
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Be a man. Fight with your fists.
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LoneWolfRadTrad
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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 02:25:AM » |
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Be a man. Fight with your fists.
Bear in mind, Christ is the exemplar of manliness. |
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When you go up to receive communion, you're literally at the foot of the cross. Standing at all creation's center, the saints gather around. Martyrs, heroes staring into your very being. They lived AND died for Christ... can we say the same of ourselves? What are WE doing to further God's will in this life? Skipping Mass for our careers? Our education? Voting for heads of state, that don't recognize the source of all authority and power? They won't matter on your deathbed (or whatever end we meet).
So... why waste time with this modern world's nonsense? We have our own civilization: CHRISTENDOM. We must restore it whilst the modern world commits societal suicide.
Its naive and idealistic to believe government for man by man can succeed. Restore Christendom in our hearts and homes! Communities aren't that far off, its a numbers game.
"Accursed is the man that puts his trust in man" Book of Jeremiah Chapter XVII, verse 5.
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 03:12:AM » |
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Be a man. Fight with your fists.
Bear in mind, Christ is the exemplar of manliness. This! |
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2011, 01:16:PM » |
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Turn the other cheek means to bear injuries (physical or otherwise) patiently and to be bountiful in your patience and mercy with others. Bear it until it is impossible to justly do otherwise, since we are to preserve our lives as much as possible. This means that you hold out on your self-defense until there is no other option present, and then you apply the appropriate amount of defense to end the threat. This is simple in theory, but takes practice in life because we have to get pride out of the way to judge correctly when it is necessary to defend, and how much is necessary to end the threat. That means we leave such silly things as "honor" at the door. Calling your momma a B is not grounds for fighting, unless you want to end up in jail and have your momma bail you out, or worse you die since you never know what you're getting into. (You should always assume the other person is stronger than you.) For the practicalities, I suggest you check out Guided Chaos (attackproof.com). They have a lot of good stuff on the idea of the Pacifist Warrior which I think goes very well with the ethic of turning the other cheek, but also using self-defense when needed.
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Behold, I am coming soon. I bring with me the recompense I will give to each according to his deeds. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Blessed are they who wash their robes so as to have the right to the Tree of Life and enter the city through its gates.
~ Rv 22:12-14
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 10:35:PM » |
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Be a man. Fight with your fists.
Bear in mind, Christ is the exemplar of manliness. A scourge, then? |
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2011, 01:28:AM » |
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Be a man. Fight with your fists.
Bear in mind, Christ is the exemplar of manliness. A scourge, then? Only if they are Hebrew bankers you are in a scuffle with. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2011, 09:25:PM » |
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Be a man. Fight with your fists.
If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck. |
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