How to challenge the Hebrew Roots Movement

[bigsam1]

I was wondering where can I find material to challenge the Hebrew Roots Movement. The more I search for apologetic information to combat this ferocious foe of Our Lord's mystical body, the less I find.  So if anyone has any idea where I can find Traditional Catholic apologetics information on this pernicious error, I would greatly appreciate it.

[devotedknuckles]

Well not sure how ferocious this perticular weird enemy is
havnt seen many Catholics apsotaze to so e whack prod Hebe sect so may e that why not much fast food apologetics out there ready to order for these quacks
sip

[iona_scribe]

There's a name for it?  I've been wondering why some of my protestant friends have been getting more wrapped up in understanding Jewish practices.

I wrote a lengthy facebook note about this trying to connect the dots between the Old and New Testaments, and the Early Church according to the Church Fathers and the Roman Catholic Church. 

Basically my friends are working from the assumption that Christianity got corrupted somewhere along the line and that the best thing for Christians to do is imitate the Early Church, and that the Early Church was something like the Book of Acts and not far removed from Jewish practice.  Well, they are right on some things and wrong on others.

My task was basically to show that Catholicism preserves the continuity between Old and New Testaments better than protestant Christianity because of the Mass and Eucharist.  I had to show that the sacraments are the fulfillment of OT prophecy and Jesus' teachings, and I had to remove misconceptions that they had about the "potluck and praise service" nature of the early church by using quotes from the Church Fathers to show that the early Christians also celebrated the Eucharist and had liturgy etc, and by showing that the Last Supper (Passover Seder) was a solemn liturgical feast.

I quoted a lot from the "for Protestants" section of the Fisheaters website about the nature of the priesthood etc.  And I also used ideas from Scott Hahn's "The Lamb's Supper".  I know some people on this forum aren't fans of Hahn, but he does speak "protestant" pretty fluently

Unfortunately no one has responded to me yet so I can't tell you how it worked  ;)

[JayneK]

Cardinal Newman wrote On the Development of Christian Doctrine to address some of these issues.  It might give you some ideas.  It is available online: http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/index.html

[bigsam1]

After much prayer and questioning the beliefs of them, Ive figured out that its the religion of modernism. It is truly the culmination of all errors which according to St. Pius X is modernism.  But yes this movement has a name and ironically enough it began in 1930 during the modernist movements. Weird, huh? lol

[devotedknuckles]

no not at all. and its ideology predates 1930. actually of u take a look at the jws, or seventh day adventist ect they are early creeps of what became this movement.
int he end it can be traced back tot he prod deformation. the prods choose to use the hebrew numbering and books of the bible and thus from the start protestantism has been in a weird love affair with all things hebrew. some sects more open and uo front about it then others. its to be expected from a religion and idology which abandoned the True faith for  man made political concoction for the benifit of the princes and kings over the church
nothing really new here

[mikemac]

no not at all. and its ideology predates 1930. actually of u take a look at the jws, or seventh day adventist ect they are early creeps of what became this movement.
int he end it can be traced back tot he prod deformation. the prods choose to use the hebrew numbering and books of the bible and thus from the start protestantism has been in a weird love affair with all things hebrew. some sects more open and uo front about it then others. its to be expected from a religion and idology which abandoned the True faith for  man made political concoction for the benifit of the princes and kings over the church
nothing really new here

Yeah I was thinking of the similarity between the Hebrew Roots movement and the Seventh Day Adventist and Jehovah Witness myself too.  There are elements in all of them that believe in British Israelism which is the belief that people of Western European descent are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.  Very strange.

Yeah the Protestant Old Testament is compiled in accord with the Jewish canon of scripture which didn't come about until around 100 AD.  You know, without the seven books and part of Daniel and part of Esther.  Yet the Catholic Old Testament is compiled in accord with the Septuagint which was a Greek translation by Jews in Alexandria between the 2nd and 3rd centuries BC that includes these Deuterocanonical books.  I find it interesting that some parts of the Deuterocanonical books have been found among the Dead Sea scrolls.   

[bigsam1]

Thats the reason I had said it was modernism, because its every protestant error manifest, every heresy, etc. And when you analyze their basic pr emises, it spews of modernism. Its every old error with the new name of HRM

[devotedknuckles]

such is what modernism is
the synthesis of all heresies. but dotn sell yourself or argument short by not recognizing the difference between various flavours of it
sip

[iona_scribe]

I've heard it expressed to me that Christianity is "about a relationship, not about religion," and that "Jesus didn't come to establish a religion."  But no one has been able to provide an answer for why they are then adding Jewish practices into their lives while dismissing Catholic practices as "religion."  This is the contradiction at the heart of it; that they've read Our Lord's rebukes to the Pharisees in the Gospels, but have elected to replace the word "Pharisee" with "Catholic."