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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2011, 09:47:AM » |
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2011, 08:20:PM » |
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It's amazing how so many who otherwise view God as all-knowing think he is not so when it comes to what the proper size of our families should be.
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Are you worried about Obama and his gun grabbers? FIGHT BACK!!! JOIN THE NRA TODAY!!!: http://membership.nrahq.org"God console thee and make thee a saint. To arrive at the perfection of humility four things are necessary: to despise the world, to despise no one, to despise self, to despise not being despised by others." - Quote from Servant of God Matt Talbot |
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2011, 09:29:PM » |
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Do I have to rant again?
The Church has always supported NFP, it was just called under a different name. To put it bluntly, contraception is using a method to prevent semen from getting where it naturally goes during sex. NFP is quite different from that. It is a refraining from sex. Refraining from sex is a morally licit practice so long as it done for the right reason. By definition, refraining from sex is a morally neutral action and can only be judged on the intent, not the act itself. |
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The Church is intolerant in principle because she believes;
she is tolerant in practice because she loves.
The enemies of the Church are tolerant in principle because they do not believe;
they are intolerant in practice because they do not love. Timorem Domini docebo vos. |
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jovan66102
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2011, 10:44:PM » |
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The Church has always supported NFP, it was just called under a different name.
In fact, Solange Hertz became, a number of years ago, the only lay person I'm aware of to be officially admonished by the Vatican for claiming that NFP is unacceptable. |
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2011, 12:29:AM » |
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The Church has always supported NFP, it was just called under a different name.
In fact, Solange Hertz became, a number of years ago, the only lay person I'm aware of to be officially admonished by the Vatican for claiming that NFP is unacceptable. What name has it been called? Why was he admonished? |
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jovan66102
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2011, 12:36:AM » |
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The Church has always supported NFP, it was just called under a different name.
In fact, Solange Hertz became, a number of years ago, the only lay person I'm aware of to be officially admonished by the Vatican for claiming that NFP is unacceptable. What name has it been called? Why was he admonished? It was known simply as the rhythm method. And she was admonished for writing articles claiming that any means, including the rhythm method/NFP were morally unacceptable. |
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Jovan-Marya Weismiller, T.O.Carm.
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2011, 02:48:AM » |
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From a theological standpoint, NFP can only be a sin in and of itself if refraining from sex is a sin. And how could we claim that? Certainly God doesn't expect couples to have sex as many times as humanly possible everyday.
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The Church is intolerant in principle because she believes;
she is tolerant in practice because she loves.
The enemies of the Church are tolerant in principle because they do not believe;
they are intolerant in practice because they do not love. Timorem Domini docebo vos. |
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2011, 07:24:AM » |
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Do I have to rant again?
The Church has always supported NFP, it was just called under a different name. To put it bluntly, contraception is using a method to prevent semen from getting where it naturally goes during sex. NFP is quite different from that. It is a refraining from sex. Refraining from sex is a morally licit practice so long as it done for the right reason. By definition, refraining from sex is a morally neutral action and can only be judged on the intent, not the act itself. Isn't this definition too narrow? How does this apply to forms of contraception such as the pill or hormone-releasing implants? |
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2011, 09:58:AM » |
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Do I have to rant again?
The Church has always supported NFP, it was just called under a different name. To put it bluntly, contraception is using a method to prevent semen from getting where it naturally goes during sex. NFP is quite different from that. It is a refraining from sex. Refraining from sex is a morally licit practice so long as it done for the right reason. By definition, refraining from sex is a morally neutral action and can only be judged on the intent, not the act itself. Isn't this definition too narrow? How does this apply to forms of contraception such as the pill or hormone-releasing implants? Those medications don't stop the semen from getting to the egg. Birth control/ hormones do three things: 1) Suppresson of Ovulation - the pill’s hormones attempt to prevent the ovum from being released from the ovary each month. 2) Cervical Mucus Change- the cervical mucus of a woman’s body becomes thicker and more difficult for the sperm to reach the ovum. 3) Thinning of the Endometrium- the pill weakens the lining of the womb and thins it, preventing the fertilized egg from attaching (implantation). |
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2011, 10:55:AM » |
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Those medications don't stop the semen from getting to the egg. Birth control/ hormones do three things:
1) Suppresson of Ovulation - the pill’s hormones attempt to prevent the ovum from being released from the ovary each month.
2) Cervical Mucus Change- the cervical mucus of a woman’s body becomes thicker and more difficult for the sperm to reach the ovum.
3) Thinning of the Endometrium- the pill weakens the lining of the womb and thins it, preventing the fertilized egg from attaching (implantation).
And of course #3 is a form of abortion. |
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