Mithrandylan
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« Reply #130 on: October 01, 2011, 03:33:PM » |
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I hope this thread won't turn into a debate... I am just wondering about the wording of something I read about modesty.
Just so you know, this thread will turn into a debate. It WILL turn into a debate, as fluffy says. Any chance of it not turning into a debate disappeared when HK posted that picture. Actually, this seems to be taking a relatively long time to turn into a debate for a modesty thread. We should time these things, we might have a record. That's because they're already busy in the other thread. Can't have two going at once, right? It will be. No question. Any thread involving modesty here will turn into debate. Enter Scriptorium and Deo Duce, and voila! |
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« Reply #131 on: October 01, 2011, 03:47:PM » |
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Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.– Buddha
Note: According to this precept, I find that Buddhism is NOT true. I have tested and judged many things, and the only Truth I have found is in God's One True Church: The Catholic Church.
Dear Lord, I know I can live by Your Holy Will every moment of my life, because You have given me faith that Your Grace will enable me to.
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Someone1776
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« Reply #132 on: October 01, 2011, 04:21:PM » |
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Well, I've read this thread in some detail and all I can say is Scriptorium, you are one sick puppy! I strongly advise good spiritual direction hand in hand with therapy under a good, orthodox Catholic therapist. You need HELP!
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"Christianity lies in achieving greatness in the face of the world's hatred." - Saint Ignatius of Antioch
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« Reply #133 on: October 01, 2011, 10:09:PM » |
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Both men and women alike should keep this in mind when attempting to justify certain popular fashions that are designed to adapt to a society glorifies its anomie: This second virtue, modesty - the very word “modesty” comes from modus, a measure or limit - probably better expresses the function of governing and dominating the passions, especially sensual passions. It is the natural bulwark of chastity. It is its effective rampart, because it moderates acts closely connected with the very object of chastity [...] Yet no matter how broad and changeable the relative morals of styles may be, there is always an absolute norm to be kept after having heard the admonition of conscience warning against approaching danger: style must never be a proximate occasion of sin. [...] An excess of immodesty in fashion involves, in practice, the cut of the garment. The garment must not be evaluated according to the estimation of a decadent or already corrupt society, but according to the aspirations of a society which prizes the dignity and seriousness of its public attire. [...] It is often said almost with passive resignation that fashions reflect the customs of a people. But it would be more exact and much more useful to say that they express the decision and moral direction that a nation intends to take: either to be shipwrecked in licentiousness or maintain itself at the level to which it has been raised by religion and civilization. No one is advocating anything immodest- as you know. That is what is being debated here. Also sleeveless or short sleeves are not a new trend , it's been done in various forms for centuries.
I posted the words of Pope Pius XII. I made no case against any specific fashion. |
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I n N omine P atris, E t F ilii, E t S piritus S ancti "The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium" (Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, no. 9, June 29, 1896). “Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time” (2 Peter 1:10).
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« Reply #134 on: October 02, 2011, 12:01:PM » |
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Well I never.
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"Tenthly, one should pour tea into the cup first. This is one of the most controversial points of all; indeed in every family in Britain there are probably two schools of thought on the subject. The milk-first school can bring forward some fairly strong arguments, but I maintain that my own argument is unanswerable. This is that, by putting the tea in first and stirring as one pours, one can exactly regulate the amount of milk, whereas one is liable to put in too much milk if one does it the other way round."
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Someone1776
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« Reply #135 on: October 02, 2011, 12:40:PM » |
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Well I never.
You're coming into this thread rather late. |
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"Christianity lies in achieving greatness in the face of the world's hatred." - Saint Ignatius of Antioch
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« Reply #136 on: October 02, 2011, 01:16:PM » |
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Well I never.
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most incomprehensible and ineffable Name of God
be forever praised, blessed, loved, adored
and glorified in Heaven, on earth,
and under the earth,
by all the creatures of God,
and by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ,
in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar.
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« Reply #137 on: October 02, 2011, 04:46:PM » |
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Dudes, how about instead of chiding women to dress modestly, we just stop complaining and combat the vices we face through greater devotion to the BVM. In this way, we will strive to treat women with greater chivalry and respect out of our devotion to her--and it will become all the easier to refrain from sins of impure thought when our pious efforts are bolstered by our Lady's efficacious intercession.
In short, if we simply face facts about the challenges of living in the modern world and address them in a godly way, then in doing so we will fortify our souls and gain ground along our individual roads to Heaven.
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Christus vincit, Christus regnat, Christus imperat.
Gegrüsst seist du, Maria, voll der Gnade; der Herr ist mit dir; du bist gebenedeit unter den Frauen und gebenedeit ist die Frucht deines Leibes, Jesus. Heilige Maria Mutter Gottes, bitte für uns Sünder, jetzt und in der Stunde unseres Todes. Amen.
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« Reply #138 on: October 02, 2011, 04:56:PM » |
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Dudes, how about instead of chiding women to dress modestly, we just stop complaining and combat the vices we face through greater devotion to the BVM. In this way, we will strive to treat women with greater chivalry and respect out of our devotion to her--and it will become all the easier to refrain from sins of impure thought when our pious efforts are bolstered by our Lady's efficacious intercession.
In short, if we simply face facts about the challenges of living in the modern world and address them in a godly way, then in doing so we will fortify our souls and gain ground along our individual roads to Heaven.
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I cough for my own amusement...
I fight for the rights of the sleeveless!
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« Reply #139 on: October 02, 2011, 05:09:PM » |
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Dudes, how about instead of chiding women to dress modestly, we just stop complaining and combat the vices we face through greater devotion to the BVM. In this way, we will strive to treat women with greater chivalry and respect out of our devotion to her--and it will become all the easier to refrain from sins of impure thought when our pious efforts are bolstered by our Lady's efficacious intercession.
In short, if we simply face facts about the challenges of living in the modern world and address them in a godly way, then in doing so we will fortify our souls and gain ground along our individual roads to Heaven.
Because they won't react to that. |
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